<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Oly on AI]]></title><description><![CDATA[Which ideas give me an edge in predicting - and shaping - tech and AI progress? I share some of them with you here. AI is *the* frontier technology, and it's set to reshape our world. Let's make it for the better!]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eqDq!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6faaaa8-072a-4eb5-9ce9-b6b378c8044a_1098x1098.jpeg</url><title>Oly on AI</title><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 13:44:13 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[oliversourbut@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[oliversourbut@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[oliversourbut@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[oliversourbut@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[“Best humans still outperform”]]></title><description><![CDATA[One turning point in the history of cope around artificial intelligence]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/best-humans-still-outperform</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/best-humans-still-outperform</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2026 12:59:35 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago I was tickled by an article headline in a serious <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-40858-3">academic journal</a>:</p><blockquote><p><strong>Best humans still outperform artificial intelligence in a creative divergent thinking task</strong></p></blockquote><p>Remarkable! <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_bites_dog">Man bites dog</a>! It had <em>become newsworthy</em>, it was <em>worth checking</em> (and, I perceive, worth a little self-congratulatory celebration) that there remained any domain where mere man could still hope to possibly contend with the machines &#8212; at least, the <em>best</em> humans still could! (Could you?)</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png" width="500" height="756" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:756,&quot;width&quot;:500,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-eAP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51424e1e-ee7b-4cd1-bb15-cc77db060e8d_500x756.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-a-robot-write-a-symphony">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><h2>A message from the future</h2><p>That was 2023. I think what stood out to me at the time<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> was that this was in some sense <em>early</em>. Not early in the <em>story of AI</em> &#8212; although <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatGPT">ChatGPT</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_Diffusion">StableDiffusion</a>, each less than a year old, had captured the public attention in a way which earlier AI hadn&#8217;t, these were merely the latest in a long lineage of gradual developments &#8212; but an early sign of a reckoning, an <em>attitude shift</em> in how humanity would grapple with these new machine capabilities we were conjuring fitfully into being.</p><p>I&#8217;d already been worrying for years that things might get out of hand with AI (and had even started <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/emergent-misaligned-outcomes">writing about it</a>). I was hardly the first!<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> But this had felt almost like a perversely secret concern (how can people not <em>see</em> what&#8217;s coming?? &#8212; but they didn&#8217;t), one which humanity at large appeared destined to ignore until either it was <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it">too late</a>&#8230; or, if we somehow played it right, until <a href="https://www.darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace">a splendid apotheosis</a> of world peace, unlimited bounty, health and longevity delivered by machine intellect. (In fact I think those <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/the-first-type-of-transformative">remain real prospects</a>, and <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/ai-for-human-reasoning-for-you">it&#8217;s absolutely in our hands to determine</a> which outcomes we get.)</p><p>What this headline implicitly spoke of, the subtextual worldview shift belied by the phrasing &#8212; &#8220;Best humans <em>still</em> outperform&#8221; &#8212; was that we had woken up and viscerally felt the reality that even the &#8216;best&#8217; humans might genuinely need to watch their backs. The machines were coming. It was no longer (had never been) a joke or a fairy tale.</p><p>This headline, seemingly from a near future in which it was taken for granted that machines, in general, dominated human capabilities, showed what was coming. Headlines like it are now commonplace &#8212; perhaps more common than those (now almost boring!) headlines adding to the litany of tasks AI now outcompetes human experts at.</p><h2>The world changed</h2><p>The world changed. Not because the world had <em>actually yet</em> changed (much), but because humanity, in our limited and faltering foresight, had noticed that, soon, it might. That murky perception of the future, humanity&#8217;s near-unique hallmark and blessing, memetically reverberated and has worked its way into our collective discourse.</p><p>In this way, I&#8217;m incredibly grateful to the &#8216;ChatGPT moment&#8217;. Rather than implicitly relying on a plucky band of vaguely foresighted but ultimately underpowered &#8216;sci-fi weirdos&#8217;, humanity as a whole is entering the conversation. We&#8217;re all stakeholders in the trajectory of this world-transforming sphere of technology, and all kinds of people are beginning to act like it: people with skillsets and perspectives which we&#8217;ll need, which had been lacking, in earlier debates. Law theorists, philosophers, engineers, anthropologists, economists, statespeople. It&#8217;s a thickly textured problem. It&#8217;ll need more than people like me (aspiring polymath though I may be) to solve it!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png" width="997" height="589" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:589,&quot;width&quot;:997,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mmrs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a73c7e3-9a6b-4a1a-acf8-350d73236518_997x589.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://www.dallasfed.org/research/economics/2025/0624">Source</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p>These cultural conversation shifts are fickle but surely incredibly consequential. 2025 felt like another shift, to me, and 2026 so far &#8212; with AI producing <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/glasswing">genuine national security implications</a> and at the centre of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic%E2%80%93United_States_Department_of_Defense_dispute">dirty political manoeuvring</a> &#8212; seems to suggest that both the training wheels and the gloves are off, as <a href="https://www.hyperdimensional.co/p/new-sages-unrivalled">Dean Ball recently put it</a>. It&#8217;s a little scary: <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/emergent-misaligned-outcomes">powerful and not altogether friendly forces</a> have turned their eye to the potential potency of emerging tech, and they<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> may wrestle for it, even under the risk that they destroy much in the process or that the tech spills entirely out of their control.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe, lest this blog spill entirely out of your control.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h2>The world, changed</h2><p>We can be doing better! People can get curious, find out what&#8217;s what, consider stakes and what realistic paths we might prefer. Don&#8217;t make the mistake of &#8216;nowsight&#8217; bias &#8212; today&#8217;s AI are the least capable there will ever be! Take seriously where things might go, and notice if the conversation seems to miss something important that you understand well: it&#8217;s still early and the &#8216;experts&#8217; are mainly that by virtue of noticing the importance of AI a little sooner than everyone else<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>. Let&#8217;s also <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/ai-for-human-reasoning-for-you">grab the new tech building blocks we have and bootstrap</a> the way we do foresight, collective intelligence, and coordination.</p><p>Don&#8217;t mistake me for naively assuming machines will blast through every bottleneck in short order. There&#8217;s a lot of adaptability, dexterity, and generality bottlenecks between here and <a href="https://www.planned-obsolescence.org/p/self-sufficient-ai">self-sufficient machines</a>. Perhaps I&#8217;ll write something about that soon.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>(I intended to blog about it at the time, but&#8230; you know how it is with drafts.)</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/664365-it-seems-probable-that-once-the-machine-thinking-method-had">Quoth Turing, some time in the 1950s</a>:</p><blockquote><p>once the machine thinking method had started, it would not take long to outstrip our feeble powers&#8230; At some stage therefore, we should have to expect the machines to take control.</p></blockquote><p>Even Turing was not first to perceive that thinking machines could pose takeover hazards.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/us-vs-china-vs-me">I&#8217;m not only (or even mainly) talking about countries</a>.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I&#8217;ve been bemused several times recently upon being referred to as an &#8216;expert&#8217;, that mythical breed.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Orders of magnitude: use semitones, not decibels]]></title><description><![CDATA[How I use a secret part of my brain for forbidden mathematics]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/orders-of-magnitude-use-semitones</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/orders-of-magnitude-use-semitones</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2026 10:21:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm going to teach you a secret. It's a secret known to few, a secret way of using parts of your brain <em>not meant for mathematics</em>... for mathematics. It's part of how I (sort of) do logarithms in my head. This is a nearly purposeless skill.</p><p>What's the growth rate? What's the doubling time? How many orders of magnitude bigger is it? How many years at this rate until it's quintupled?</p><p>All questions of ratios and scale.</p><p>Scale... hmm.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg" width="1150" height="492" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:492,&quot;width&quot;:1150,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:55049,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/192919127?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!g3Vl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8a9af0e-5490-488d-9ce1-ef94b96b730b_1150x492.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>'Wait', you're thinking, 'let me check the date...'. Indeed. But please, stay with me for the logarithms.</p><h2>Musical intervals as ratios, and God's joke</h2><p>If you're a music nerd like me, you'll know that an octave (abbreviated 8ve), the fundamental musical interval, represents a doubling of vibration frequency. So if <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440_(pitch_standard)">A440</a> is at 440Hz, then 220Hz and 880Hz are also 'A'. Our ears tend to hear this as 'the same note, only higher'.</p><p>That means the 'same' interval, an octave, corresponds to successively greater gaps in frequency. First a doubling, then a quadrupling, an octupling, and so on. Our perception, and musical notation, maps the space of frequencies logarithmically.</p><p>You'll also know that a '<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_fifth">perfect fifth</a>' is a ratio of . A to the E above it, C# to the G# above it, etc. Consonance is <em>all about nice ratios</em>! (Ask Pythagoras.)</p><p>At least, the really sweet, in tune fifths are this ratio. Because God is an absolute wheeze, you can keep moving in fifths (3:2) and octaves and get 'new notes' eleven times. That's where we get our Western scale from, originally (except it's <em>originally</em> originally Mesopotamian probably). The twelfth time ((3:2)^12) gets you to a ratio of roughly 129.7:1. That's <em>almost exactly</em> seven doublings, seven octaves (7 * 8ve)! That'd be 128:1. God's joke is in <a href="https://youtu.be/1DUZsQ2by2s?si=4fGwAq6dub-eyV2T&amp;t=96">that roughly 1% margin</a>, and musicians have been arguing about what to do about it for centuries. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_temperament">It's a whole thing</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><p>Cutting a long story short, that leaves us with twelve different notes dividing up the octave. They 'repeat', with 'the same' note again and again at either higher or lower octaves (a full doubling of frequency).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!A0Vd!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fece88ba8-042f-477e-8704-f581052233ce_1615x430.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!A0Vd!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fece88ba8-042f-477e-8704-f581052233ce_1615x430.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!A0Vd!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fece88ba8-042f-477e-8704-f581052233ce_1615x430.jpeg 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading! Subscribe for free to receive new secret knowledge direct to your brain.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>In between octaves, those twelve divisions need to 'add up to' a doubling. For reasons, two steps (a sixth of the overall scale) is referred to as a 'tone', and a single step (a twelfth of the scale) is thus a 'semitone'. That means each semitone corresponds to a ratio of the twelfth root of two. (It's about 1.06, i.e. a ratio increase of about 6%.) The full scale as shown above is called 'chromatic' (because it has every 'colour'...).</p><p>This means that <strong>neat fractional powers of two map cleanly onto musical intervals</strong>. God was generous in giving twelve many factors, so we have musical intervals for the square, cube, fourth, sixth, and twelfth roots of two which come for free.</p><p>So far, no logarithms. But we have <em>musical powers</em> of two: give me a fraction and I can tell you the musical interval. That means we also have <em>musical logarithm</em>: give me a musical interval and I can tell you the power of two! e.g. C to G# is eight semitones. So</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;\\log_2(\\mathrm C: \\mathrm G) = \\frac 8 {12} = \\frac 2 3&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;QXXNGYWLEG&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p>Musical logarithms? What is he talking about? Surely this is pointless. Yes, it is! Hold on!</p><h2>Harmonic series</h2><p>If you're a <em>brass music</em> nerd like me, you'll know that the 'overtones' of most natural vibrations correspond to the 'harmonic series' (no, not <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_series_(mathematics)">that</a></em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_series_(mathematics)"> harmonic series</a>, the <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_series_(music)">actually harmonic</a></em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_series_(music)"> harmonic series</a>), which are the different pitches you can get a big metal tube to vibrate at if you give it <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM1vOAz0_Gc">the right encouragement</a>. Incidentally this is how brass players get dozens of different notes out of an instrument having (usually) only three valves<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>.</p><p>This harmonic series is generated by lovely integer ratios! Why? The physics of oscillators. Integer multiples are the only frequencies which can support a standing wave on the same vibrating object (air column, string, membrane).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uik0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d3e41e4-ccea-46ec-9588-ffb8de8793d2_1000x1110.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uik0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4d3e41e4-ccea-46ec-9588-ffb8de8793d2_1000x1110.jpeg 424w, 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Only three valves!<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> So we know them by heart, by fingers, and by ears.</p><h2>Combining the harmonic series with the chromatic scale: magic</h2><p>So we have <em>integer multiples</em>, the harmonic series, laid over a <em>fundamentally logarithmic scale</em>, the chromatic scale consisting of twelve semitones.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg" width="1456" height="198" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:198,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:59244,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/192919127?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EfoP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b57db8f-c2aa-45fe-87a3-6e2819cf8051_2094x285.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>Numbers above the notes correspond to small adjustments vs the equally-spaced semitones which are usually used today to deal with God's joke. Ignore them if you don't care about small percentage errors. This is the harmonic series on C; you can have a series on any starting note with the same intervals</em>.</p><p>Here's the magic trick. Now we can go from arbitrary ratios to musical intervals!</p><p>Start with an easy one, 1.25. That's a ratio 5:4. Fifth harmonic is E (+ 2 8ve). Fourth is C (+2 8ve). The octaves cancel. That's an interval E:C, or four semitones. So 1.25 <em>is four semitones</em>. We already know the 'musical logarithm' of four semitones, it's 4/12 = 1/3. Check on a calculator: log_2(1.25) = 0.32193&#8230;. I promised close, not perfect!</p><p>A slightly trickier one, 1.8. That's a ratio of 9:5. The ninth harmonic is D (+3 8ve), and the fifth is E (+2 8ve). The octaves partly cancel (leaving a single octave). The interval D:E is <em>minus two semitones</em>. Taken off the residual octave, that leaves ten semitones. So log_2(1.8) = 10/12 = 5/6. Calculator check: log_2(1.8) = 0.848&#8230;. Not bad!</p><p>It turns out that the musical harmonic series is secretly a mini table of base 2 logarithms.</p><h2>Base 10, if we really have to</h2><p>The unit that mainstream sheeple often use for fractional logarithms is the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel">decibel</a>. A decibel divides a base ten order of magnitude in ten. So ten decibels is a dectupling, twenty is a hundredfold, and so on.</p><p>Stated similarly, a semitone divices a base two order of magnitude in twelve.</p><p>In another cosmic whimsy, 2^10 = 1024 ~= 1000 = 10^3. So 120 semitones are essentially equal to 30 decibels, for an easy exchange rate of four semitones per decibel.</p><h2>What</h2><p>Well, look. It's fun, and it gets me logarithms to pretty good approximation. It's good enough for <s>jazz</s> Fermi estimation, as they say. Who is this even good for? I maintain that the intersection between music and mathematics nerds is surprisingly well populated. If that's you, you're welcome. If not, I'm pretty unsure how easy it is to get the harmonic series installed in your brain. Maybe it's only available to the warped few who train in childhood.</p><p>There are some other fun tricks with powers and logarithms of two. For example, if you know your <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_number">binary place values</a>, you can figure out logarithms of very big numbers (and the  trick comes in handy here too).</p><p>There's also a '<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_72">rule of 72</a>' which helps when dealing with small percentage growth rates and doubling times.</p><p>I aesthetically like this neat division of doublings into twelve parts, and it's fun to invoke musical intuitions that really have no right to help with mathematics.</p><p>You might complain that twelfths are faffy. Who uses twelfths anyway? Everyone everywhere has used decimal for goodness' sake! Well, I have <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal">something</a> <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/roots-of-unity/the-joy-of-sexagesimal-floating-point-arithmetic/">else</a> to share with you...</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe to become more like me, which is definitely something you want after reading this far.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament">Usually nowadays</a> we squish all the fifths a tiny bit so that when stacked up they get to that delicious 128:1.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Three valves independently up or down is a total of eight configurations. Because the third valve is usually set to be redundant with the combination of the first two (which aids fluent finger movement), there are usually only seven practically-distinguishable combinations.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Other wind players, who have the benefit of many more, but not infinitely many keys and buttons, often encounter one or two of these harmonics.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[AI for Human Reasoning for You]]></title><description><![CDATA[Let's harness AI building blocks to build civilisation-invigorating tools]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/ai-for-human-reasoning-for-you</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/ai-for-human-reasoning-for-you</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2026 13:22:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eqDq!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6faaaa8-072a-4eb5-9ce9-b6b378c8044a_1098x1098.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s humanity faces many high stakes and even existential challenges; many of the largest are generated or exacerbated by AI. Meanwhile, humans individually and humanity collectively appear distressingly underequipped.</p><p>Lots of folks naturally recognise that this implies a general strategy: make humans individually &#8212; and humanity collectively &#8212; better able to solve problems. Very good! (Complementary strategies look like: make progress directly, raise awareness of the challenges, recruit problem solvers, &#8230;)</p><p>One popular approach is to &#8216;raise the sanity waterline&#8217; in the most oldschool and traditional way: have a community of best practice, exemplify and proselytise, make <em>people</em> wiser one by one and <em>society</em> wiser by virtue of that. There&#8217;ve been some recent successes, not least the existence of communities and forums like <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/">LessWrong</a> and <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/">Effective Altruism</a>, and some older philosophies and movements.</p><p>Another popular approach is to imagine augmenting ourselves in the most futuristic and radical ways: genetic engineering, selective breeding, brain-augmenting implants, brain emulation. Go for it, I suppose (mindful of the potential backfires and hazards). But these probably won&#8217;t pan out on what look like the necessary timelines.</p><p>There is a middle ground! Use tech to uplift ourselves, yes &#8212; but don&#8217;t wait for medical marvels and wholesale self-reauthorship. Just use the building blocks we have, anticipate the pieces we might have soon, and address our individual and collective shortcomings one low-hanging fruit at a time.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><p>The most exciting part is that we&#8217;ve got some nifty new building blocks to play with: big data, big compute, ML, and (most novel of all) foundation models and limited agentic AI.</p><h2>How to generate useful ideas in human reasoning</h2><p>One place people fall down here is getting locked into asking: &#8216;<em>OK, what can I usefully ask this AI to do?</em>&#8217;. Sometimes this is helpful. But usually it&#8217;s missing the majority of the design space: agentic form factors are only a very narrow slice of what we can do with technology, and for many purposes they&#8217;re not even especially desirable.</p><p>Think about human reasoning. &#8216;Human&#8217; as in individuals, groups, teams, society, humanity at large. &#8216;Reasoning&#8217; as in the full decision-making cycle, from sensing and understanding through to planning and acting, including <em>acting together</em>.</p><p>I like to first ask: &#8216;What human reasoning activities are in bad shape?&#8217;</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop">OODA</a> is one good frame:  </p><ul><li><p>For a given important (type of) decision, what are people observing?  </p></li><li><p>How are they orienting and deciding?  </p></li><li><p>What actions do they have available and do they know how to do them well?  </p></li><li><p>What about the case of teams, groups, institutions: how do their OODAs work (and how do they fail)?  </p></li></ul></li><li><p>Also think about <em>development</em>: how do individuals learn and grow? What about groups and communities, how do they form, grow, connect?  </p></li><li><p>In foresight,  </p><ul><li><p>What features are we even paying attention to in the first place?  </p></li><li><p>What prospects are under consideration?  </p></li><li><p>What affordances are we aware of?  </p></li><li><p>How are we strategically creating sensing opportunities and the means to adapt plans?  </p></li><li><p>How do our forecasts achieve precision and calibration?  </p></li></ul></li><li><p>In epistemics, think about the message-passing nature of most human knowledge processes.  </p><ul><li><p>How do we assess the nodes (communicators)?  </p></li><li><p>How do we assess, digest, and compile the messages (claims, evidence, proposals, &#8230;)?  </p></li><li><p>How do we understand and manage the structure of the network itself (communication relationships, broadcasts and other topologies, &#8230;)?  </p></li><li><p>What about the traffic (message rates, density distribution, repeated and relayed transmissions, &#8230;)?  </p></li><li><p>What messages <em>ought</em> to be routed where, when and on behalf of whom?  </p></li></ul></li><li><p>In coordination, what are the conditions for success?  </p><ul><li><p>We need to find or recognise potential counterparties.  </p></li><li><p>We might need the charters, norms, or institutions to condition and frame interaction productively &#8212; ones which don&#8217;t fail or fall to corruption or capture.  </p></li><li><p>We need to surface enough mutually-compatible intent or outcome preference.  </p></li><li><p>Our ensembled group wisdom might be a necessary source of insight or agility.  </p></li><li><p>We need to survive the tug of war of negotiation (which can dissolve into antagonism, even when there&#8217;s common knowledge of win-win possibilities).  </p></li><li><p>Means of verification and enforcement may be needed to access good options.</p></li></ul></li></ul><p>Think of a particular audience with either the scale or the special influence to make a difference (this can include &#8216;the general public&#8217;), and the deficits they have in these reasoning activities. Now ask: &#8216;What kinds of software<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> might help and encourage people to do those better?&#8217;.</p><ul><li><p>Is there an edge to be gained by unlocking big (or even medium) data (which can often be more living and queryable than ever before thanks to LMs)?  </p></li><li><p>Can large amounts of clerical labour (again LMs) per capita make something newly feasible?  </p></li><li><p>Can big compute and simulation (including multi persona simulation: LMs again!) drive better understanding of an important dynamic?  </p></li><li><p>Can extensive background exploration, search, or &#8216;brainstorming&#8217; by AI surface important opportunities or considerations?  </p></li><li><p>Can always-on, flexibly-semantically-sensitive sensing and monitoring bring attention where it&#8217;s needed faster than before (or at all)?  </p></li><li><p>Could facilitation and translation bring forth, and synergise, the best array of human capabilities in a given context?  </p></li><li><p>Could software&#8217;s repeatability, auditability, and privacy (in principle), combined with the context and semantic sensitivity of AI, unlock new frontiers of trustable human scaffolding?  </p></li><li><p>&#8230;</p></li></ul><h3>Finding flaws and avoiding backfire</h3><p>Think seriously about backfire: we don&#8217;t want to differentially enable bad human actors or rogue AI to reason and coordinate! As Richard Rumelt, author of Good Strategy/Bad Strategy observes,</p><blockquote><p>The idea that coordination, by itself, can be a source of advantage is a very deep principle.</p></blockquote><p>Coordination&#8217;s dark side is collusion, including cartels, oligarchy, and concentration of power, in imaginable extreme cases cutting out most or even all humans.</p><p>Similarly, epistemic advantage (in foresight and strategy, say) can be parlayed into resource or influence advantage. If those can be converted in turn into greater epistemic advantage (by employing compute and position for epistemic attacks or in further private epistemic advancement) without commensurate counterweights or defences, this could be quite problematic.</p><p>Part of it is about choosing distribution strategies which reduce misuse surface area (or provide antidotes), and part of it is about preferring tech which asymmetrically supports (and perhaps encourages) &#8216;good&#8217; use and behaviour.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe to this blog, a tech which asymmetrically supports (and perhaps encourages) &#8216;good&#8217; use and behaviour!</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h2>Do it</h2><p><a href="https://aiforhumanreasoning.com/">FLF&#8217;s fellows</a>, and <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/a-full-epistemic-stack">I and others</a> have been <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/design-sketches-collective-epistemics">doing some</a> of <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/design-sketches-angels-on-the-shoulder">this exploration</a> recently. Stay tuned for more. Meanwhile, join in! <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/the-first-type-of-transformative-ai">We&#8217;re early in a critical period</a> where much is up for grabs and what we build now <em>might</em> help shape and inform the choices humanity makes about its future (or whether it makes much choice at all). Try things, see what kinds of tools earn the attention and adoption that matters, and share what you learn. Consider principles to apply, especially for minimising backfire risks, and share particular considerations for or against certain kinds of tech and audience targets.</p><p><em>Thanks to Owen Cotton-Barratt and Ben Goldhaber for helpful comments, and to Lizka Vaintrob for recent relevant conversations</em></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>A close relative of this strategy is <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/bxt7uCiHam4QXrQAA/cyborgism">cyborgism</a>. I might contrast what I&#8217;m centrally describing as being more outward-looking, asking how we can uplift the most important sensemaking and wisdom apparatus of <em>humanity in general</em>, whereas cyborgism maybe looks centrally more like a bet on <em>becoming</em> the uplifted paragons (optionally thence, and thereby, saving the world). I&#8217;d say these are complementary on the whole.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This is better than asking &#8216;What kinds of AI&#8230;&#8217;. Software is the general, capability-unlocking and -enhancing artefact. AI components and form-factors are novel, powerful, sometimes indispensable building blocks in our inventory to compose software capabilities out of.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The First Type of Transformative AI?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Ask 'what will AI transform?', not 'when?'... and what choices do we have in that?]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/the-first-type-of-transformative</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/the-first-type-of-transformative</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 17:31:05 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently contributed to a discussion of <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/the-first-type-of-transformative-ai">the first type of transformative AI</a> with Owen Cotton-Barrat and Lizka Vaintrob. It&#8217;s part of a series those two (primarily, with some input from me and others) are working on, which asks, expanding on <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/ai-tools-for-existential-security">their agenda from last year</a>:</p><p><em>AI is not just one, big, singular thing. What are the ways we can bring forward the beneficial possibilities, while delaying or defending against the harmful ones?</em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp" width="1456" height="938" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:938,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Hand-drawn graph of AI-driven change over time, rising gradually then accelerating before AGI. Highlights uncertainty about how much the world changes before AGI and why the sequence of pre-AGI transformations matters.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Hand-drawn graph of AI-driven change over time, rising gradually then accelerating before AGI. Highlights uncertainty about how much the world changes before AGI and why the sequence of pre-AGI transformations matters." title="Hand-drawn graph of AI-driven change over time, rising gradually then accelerating before AGI. Highlights uncertainty about how much the world changes before AGI and why the sequence of pre-AGI transformations matters." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ak5T!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a3f0a2-bdc5-46e3-89e0-f939c455db7c_2624x1691.webp 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">AI tools can <em>already</em> produce large changes, and the potentials there will only increase. &#8216;AGI&#8217; is a moving goalpost, but judicious work now can make sure that society is better positioned to deal with later developments and risks (e.g. by avoiding or defending).</figcaption></figure></div><p>As I repeatedly emphasise to anyone who&#8217;ll listen: it&#8217;s <em>never</em> been just a dichotomy between &#8216;yes, good, more AI please&#8217; and &#8216;no, bad, less AI thank you&#8217; &#8212; and it&#8217;s not even a case of just making sure &#8216;the AIs&#8217; are good (though this helps). <em>How</em> the tools and technological building blocks at our disposal are integrated into applications, workflows, and use-cases, is just as important.</p><p>And the tools, products, and systems we could develop now <em>shape</em> the context for subsequent developments, including by:</p><ul><li><p>equipping people to better predict and understand their options</p></li><li><p>enabling people to coordinate better around preferred possibilities (which might otherwise be difficult due to mismatched incentives or race dynamics)</p></li><li><p>giving the tools to defuse or defend against hazardous developments, or their precursors</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp" width="1456" height="668" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:668,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Hand-drawn diagram comparing two strategies for early AI transitions: improving how individual transformations go, or influencing their order. Notes that earlier transitions are more predictable and more neglected than later ones.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Hand-drawn diagram comparing two strategies for early AI transitions: improving how individual transformations go, or influencing their order. Notes that earlier transitions are more predictable and more neglected than later ones." title="Hand-drawn diagram comparing two strategies for early AI transitions: improving how individual transformations go, or influencing their order. Notes that earlier transitions are more predictable and more neglected than later ones." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tmTl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe2e4c09e-ca97-431b-8c86-e9425e80ab81_1710x785.webp 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">When considering &#8216;big transformations&#8217; from technology, among the strategies we can attempt if we want things to go better for society are: change the &#8216;order&#8217; these transformations arrive in (which might even prevent or reshape later transitions), or improve the way particularly important transitions go.</figcaption></figure></div><p>For technologists, futurists, philanthropists, legislators, experts, and other members of society trying to make tech progress go well, paying attention to <em>which</em> effects happen, in what order &#8212; and what our options are for choosing wisely there &#8212; looks like a really promising, and neglected way of reducing large-scale risk and bringing about huge benefits.</p><p>You can read <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/the-first-type-of-transformative-ai">our few pages of fuller discussion</a> for more of our thoughts on some scenarios we think are worth considering, including intelligence explosion, turbocharged economy, and epistemic uplift.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Oly on AI! Subscribing will <em>mitigate the risk</em> that you miss more of my insightful writing.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[A Full Epistemic Stack]]></title><description><![CDATA[Knowledge Commons for the 21st Century]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/a-full-epistemic-stack</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/a-full-epistemic-stack</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2025 22:35:14 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0aqH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95c0c063-4a74-4f21-a4c0-4929f36e72fc_1389x883.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>We&#8217;re writing this in our personal capacity. While our work at the <a href="https://www.flf.org/">Future of Life Foundation</a> has recently focused on this topic and informs our thinking here, this specific presentation of our views are our own.</em></p><p>Knowledge is integral to living life well, at all scales:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Individuals manage their life choices</strong>: health, career, investment, and others on the basis of what they understand about themselves and their environments.</p></li><li><p><strong>Institutions and governments (ideally) regulate</strong> economies, provide security, and uphold the conditions for flourishing under their jurisdictions, only if they can make requisite sense of the systems involved.</p></li><li><p><strong>Technologists and scientists push the boundaries</strong> of the known, generating insights and techniques judged valuable by combining a vision for what is possible with a conception of what is desirable (or as proxy, demanded).</p></li><li><p>More broadly, <strong>societies negotiate their paths forward</strong> through discourse which rests on some reliable, broadly shared access to a body of knowledge and situational awareness about the biggest stakes, people&#8217;s varied interests in them, and our shared prospects.</p><ul><li><p>(We&#8217;re especially interested in how societies and humanity as a whole can navigate the many challenges of the 21st century, most immediately AI, automation, and biotechnology.)</p></li></ul></li></ul><p>Meanwhile, dysfunction in knowledge-generating and -distributing functions of society means that knowledge, and especially <em>common</em> knowledge, often looks fragile<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. Some blame <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Republic-Divided-Democracy-Social-Media/dp/0691175519">social media</a> (platform), some <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-truth_politics">cynical political elites</a> (supply), and others the <a href="https://www.conspicuouscognition.com/p/is-social-media-destroying-democracyor">deplorable common people</a> (demand).</p><p>But reliable knowledge underpins news, history, and science alike. What resources and infrastructure would a society <em>really nailing this</em> have available?</p><p>Among other things, we think its communication and knowledge infrastructure would make it <em>easy</em> for people to learn, check, compare, debate, and build in ways which compound and reward good faith. This means tech, and we think the technical prerequisites, the need, and the vision for a <em><strong>full epistemic stack</strong></em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> are coming together right now. Some pioneering practitioners and researchers <a href="https://sarahconstantin.substack.com/p/tech-for-thinking">are already</a> making some progress. We&#8217;d like to <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/ai-tools-for-existential-security">nurture and welcome it along</a>.</p><p>In this short series, we&#8217;ll outline some ways we&#8217;re thinking about the space of tools and foundations which can raise the overall epistemic waterline and enable us all to make more sense. In this first post, we introduce frames for mapping the space &#8212;<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> different layers for info gathering, structuring into claims and evidence, and assessment &#8212; and potential end applications that would utilize the information.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0aqH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F95c0c063-4a74-4f21-a4c0-4929f36e72fc_1389x883.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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Humans aren&#8217;t, primarily, isolated observers. Ever since the Sumerians and their <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-n%C4%81%E1%B9%A3ir">written customer complaints</a><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>, humans have received information about much of <s>their</s> our world <em>from other humans</em>, for better or worse. We sophisticated modern beings consume information diets transmitted across unprecedented distances in space, time, and network scale.</p><p>With an accelerating pace of technological change and with potential <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20251217044900/https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/word-of-the-year">information overload at machine speeds</a>, we will need to <a href="https://aiforhumanreasoning.com/">improve our collective intelligence game to keep up</a> with the promise and perils of the 21st century.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8_iY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fce3e44c8-4119-42fb-8c90-3830a3601fcb_1021x444.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><strong>Imagine an upgrade.</strong> People faced with news articles, social media posts, research papers, chatbot responses, and so on can trivially trace their complete epistemic origins &#8212; links, citations, citations of citations, original data sources, methodologies &#8212; as well as helpful context (especially useful responses, alternative positions, and representative supporting or conflicting evidence). That&#8217;s a lot, so perhaps more realistically, most of the time, people don&#8217;t bother&#8230; but the facility is there, and everyone knows everyone knows it. More importantly, everyone knows <em>everyone&#8217;s AI assistants</em> know it (and we know those are far less lazy)! So the waterline of information trustworthiness and good faith discourse is raised, for good. Importantly, humans are still very much in the loop &#8212; to borrow a phrase from Audrey Tang, we might even say <em><a href="https://www.pioneerspost.com/news-views/20251106/we-are-already-the-super-intelligence-we-are-looking-audrey-tang-and-others-big">machines</a></em><a href="https://www.pioneerspost.com/news-views/20251106/we-are-already-the-super-intelligence-we-are-looking-audrey-tang-and-others-big"> are in the </a><em><a href="https://www.pioneerspost.com/news-views/20251106/we-are-already-the-super-intelligence-we-are-looking-audrey-tang-and-others-big">human</a></em><a href="https://www.pioneerspost.com/news-views/20251106/we-are-already-the-super-intelligence-we-are-looking-audrey-tang-and-others-big"> loop</a>.</p><p>Some pieces of this are already practical. Others will be a stretch with careful scaffolding and current-generation AI. Some might be just out of reach without general model improvements&#8230; but we think they&#8217;re all close: 2026 could be the year this starts to get real traction.</p><p>Does this change (or save) the world on its own? Of course not. In fact we have a long list of cautionary tales of premature and overambitious epistemic tech projects which achieved very few of their aims: the biggest challenge is plausibly distribution and uptake. (We will write something more about that later in this series.) And sensemaking alone isn&#8217;t sufficient! &#8212; will and creativity and the means to coordinate sufficiently at the relevant scale are essential complements. But there&#8217;s significant and robust value to improving everyone&#8217;s ability to reason clearly about the world, and we do think <a href="https://xkcd.com/927/">this time can be different</a>.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Oly on AI! Subscribe, because it&#8217;s epistemically virtuous to do so.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h2>Layers of a foundational protocol</h2><p><strong>Considering the dynamic message-passing network of human information processing</strong>, we see various possible hooks for communicator-, platform-, network-, and information-focused tech applications which could work together to improve our collective intelligence.</p><p>We&#8217;ll briefly discuss some <em>foundational information-focused layers</em> together with <em>user experience (UX)</em> and <em>tools</em> which can utilise the influx of cheap clerical labour from LMs, combined with intermittent judgement from humans, to make it smoother and easier for us all to make sense.</p><p>All of these pieces stand somewhat alone &#8212; a part of our vision is an interoperable and extensible suite &#8212; but we think implementations of some foundations have enough synergy that it&#8217;s worth thinking of them as a suite. We&#8217;ll outline where we think synergies are particularly strong. In later posts we&#8217;ll look at some specific technologies and examples of groups already prototyping them; for now we&#8217;re painting in broad strokes some goals we see for each part of the stack.</p><h3>Ingestion: observations, data, and identity</h3><p>Ultimately grounding all empirical knowledge is some collection of observations&#8230; but most people rely on second-hand (and even more indirect) observation. Consider the climate in Hawaii. Most people aren&#8217;t in a position to directly observe that, but many have some degree of stake in nonetheless knowing about it or having the affordance to know about it.</p><p>For some topics, &#8216;<a href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/source-i-made-it-up">source? Trust me bro</a>,&#8217; is sufficient: what reason do they have to lie, and does it matter much anyway? Other times, for higher stakes applications, it&#8217;s better to have more confirmation, ranging from a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affidavit">staked reputation</a> for honesty to cryptographic guarantee<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a>.</p><p>Associating artefacts with metadata about origin and authorship (and further guarantees if available) can be a multiplier on downstream knowledge activities, such as tracing the provenance of claims and sources, or evaluating track records for honesty. Thanks to AI, precise formats matter less, and tracking down this information can be much more tractable. This tractability can drive the critical mass needed to start a virtuous cycle of sharing and interoperation, which early movers can encourage by converging on lightweight protocols and metadata formats. In true 21st Century techno-optimist fashion, we think no centralised party need be responsible for storing or processing (though distributed caches and repositories can provide valuable network services, especially for indexing and lookup<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a>).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KtqM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F57075e86-2c1d-4c9c-a616-484dd02109e7_1024x565.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Structure: inference and discourse</h3><p>Information passing and knowledge development involve far more than sharing basic observations and datasets between humans. There are at least two important types of structure: inference and discourse.</p><h4>Inference structure: genealogy of claims and supporting evidence (Structure I)</h4><p>Ideally perhaps, raw observations are reliably recorded, their search and sampling processes unbiased (or well-described and accounted for), inferences in combination with other knowledge are made, with traceable citations and with appropriate uncertainty quantification, and finally new traceable, conversation-ready claims are made.</p><p>We might call this an <em>inference structure</em>: the genealogy and epistemic provenance of given claims and observations, enabling others to see how conclusions were reached, and thus to repeat or refine (or refute) the reasoning and investigation that led there.</p><p>Of course in practice, inference structure is often illegible and effortful to deal with at best, and in many contexts intractable or entirely absent. We are presented with a selectively-reported news article with a scant few hyperlinks, themselves not offering much more context. Or we simply glimpse the tweet summary with no accompanying context.</p><p>Even in science and academia where citation norms are strongest, a citation might point to a many-page paper or a whole book in support of a single local claim, often <a href="https://aiprospects.substack.com/p/when-ideas-round-to-false">losing nuance or distorting meaning</a> along the way, and adding much friction to the activity of assessing the strength of a claim<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a>.</p><p>How do tools and protocols improve this picture? Metascience reform movements like <a href="https://nanopub.net/">Nanopublications</a> strike us as a promising direction.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png" width="512" height="512" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:512,&quot;width&quot;:512,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1qKk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F87a1e48d-dd70-4d10-ab53-a42782021be7_512x512.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Already, LM assistance can make some of this structure more practically accessible, including in hindsight. A lightweight sharing format and caches for commonly accessed inference structure metadata can turn this into a reliable, cheap, and growing foundation: a graph of claims and purported evidence, for improved further epistemic activity like auditing, hypothesis generation, and debate mapping.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png" width="1024" height="565" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:565,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NhEM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c681fc1-b245-4e6e-99bb-afb47518a4dd_1024x565.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h4>Discourse: refinement, counterargument, refutation (Structure II)</h4><p>Knowledge production and sharing is dynamic. With claims made (ideally legibly), advocates, detractors, investigators, and the generally curious bring new evidence or reason to the debate, strengthening or weakening the case for claims, discovering new details, or inferring new implications or applications.</p><p>This <em>discourse structure</em> associates related claims and evidence, relevant observations which might not have originally been made with a given topic in mind, and competing or alternative positions.</p><p>Unfortunately in practice, many arguments are made and repeated without producing anything (apart from anger and dissatisfaction and occasional misinformation), partly because they&#8217;re <em>disconnected</em> from discourse. This is valuable both as contextual input (understanding the state of the wider debate or investigation so that the same points aren&#8217;t argued ad infinitum and people benefit from updates), and as output (propagating conclusions, updates, consensus, or synthesis back to the wider conversation).</p><p>This shortcoming holds back science, and pollutes politics.</p><p>Tools like Wikipedia (and other encyclopedias), at their best, serve as <em>curated summaries </em>of the state of discourse on a given topic. If it&#8217;s fairly settled science, the clearest summaries and best sources should be made salient (as well as some history and genealogy). If it&#8217;s a lively debate, the state of the positions and arguments, perhaps along with representative advocates, should be summarised. But encyclopedias can be limited by sourcing, available cognitive labour and update speed, one-size-fits-all formatting, and sometimes curatorial bias (whether human or AI).<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a></p><p>Similar to the inference layer, there is massive untapped potential to develop automations for better discourse tracking and modeling. For example, LLMs doing literature reviews can source content from a range of perspectives for downstream mapping. Meanwhile, relevant new artefacts can be detected and ingested close to realtime. We don&#8217;t need to agree on all conclusions &#8212; but we <em>can </em>much more easily agree <em>on the status of discourse</em>: positions on a topic, the strongest cases for them, and the biggest holes<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a>. Direct access as well as helpful integrations with existing platforms and workflows can surface the most useful context to people as needed, in locally-appropriate format and level of detail.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png" width="1024" height="565" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:565,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6wOj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4721aa2f-10ac-4719-a8cd-d93c5ff3a4cb_1024x565.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Assessment: credence, endorsement, and trust</h3><p>Claims and evidence, together with counter claims and an array of perspectives (however represented), give some large ground source of potential insight. But at a given time and for a given person there is some question to be answered: reaching trusted summaries and positions.</p><p>Ultimately consumers of information sources come to conclusions on the basis of diverse signals: compatibility with their more direct observations, assessment of the trustworthiness and reliability (on a given topic) of a communicator, assessment of methodological reasonableness, weighing and comparing evidence, procedural humility and skepticism, explicit logical and probabilistic inference, and so on. It&#8217;s squishy and diverse!</p><p>We think some technologies are unable to scale because they&#8217;re too rigid in assigning explicit probabilities, or because they enforce specific rules divorced from context. This fails to account for real reasoning processes and also can work against trust because people (for good and bad reasons) have idiosyncratic emphases in what constitutes sensible reasoning.</p><p>We expect that trust should be a late-binding property (i.e. at the application layer), to account for varied contexts and queries and diverse perspectives, interoperable with minimally opinionated <em>structure</em> metadata. That said, squishy, contextual, customisable reasoning is increasingly scalable and available for computation! So caches and helpful precomputations for common settings might also be surprisingly practical in many cases.</p><p>With foundational structure to draw from, this is where things start to substantially branch out and move toward the application layer. Some use cases, like summarisation, highlighting key pros and cons and uncertainties, or discovery, might directly touch users. Other times, downstream platforms and tools can integrate via a variety of customized assessment workflows.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png" width="1024" height="565" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:565,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aspV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9fc9396f-c434-464e-9ce9-ece4d28ea117_1024x565.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h2>Beyond foundations: UX and integrations</h2><p>Foundations and protocols and epistemic tools sound fun only to a subset of people. But (almost) everyone is interested in some combination of news, life advice, politics, tech, or business. We don&#8217;t anticipate much direct use by humans of the epistemic layers we&#8217;ve discussed. But we already envision multiple downstream integrations into existing and emerging workflows: this motivates the interoperability and extensibility we&#8217;ve mentioned.</p><p>A few gestures:</p><ul><li><p>Social media platforms struggle under adversarial and attentional pressures. But distributed, decentralised context-provision, like the early success stories in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Notes">Community Notes</a>, can serve as a widely-accessible point of distribution (and this is just one form factor among many possible). In turn, foundational epistemic tooling can feed systems like Community Notes.</p></li><li><p>More speculatively, social-media-like interfaces for uncovering group wisdom and will at larger scales while eliciting more productive discourse might be increasingly practical, and would be supported by this foundational infrastructure.</p></li><li><p>Curated summaries like encyclopedias (centralised) and Wikipedia (decentralised) are often able to give useful overviews and context on a topic. But they&#8217;re slow, don&#8217;t have coverage on demand, offer only one-size-fits-all, and are sometimes subject to biases. Human and automated curators could consume from foundational epistemic content and react to relevant updates responsively. Additionally, with discourse and inference structure more readily and deeply available, new, richly-interactive and customisable views are imaginable: for example enabling strongly grounded up- and down-resolution of topics on request<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a>, or highlighting areas of disagreement or uncertainty to be resolved.</p></li><li><p>Authors and researchers already benefit from search engines, and more recently &#8216;deep research&#8217; tooling. Integration with easily available relational epistemic metadata, these uplifts can be much more reliable, trustworthy, and effective.</p></li><li><p>Emerging use of search-enabled AI chatbots as primary or complementary tools for search, education, and inquiry means that these workflows may become increasingly impactful. Equipping chatbots with access to discourse mapping and depth of inference structure can help their responses to be grounded and direct people to the most important points of evidence and contention on a topic.</p></li><li><p>Those who want to can already layer extensions onto their browsing and mobile internet experiences. Having always-available or on-demand highlighting, context expandables, warnings, and so on, is viable mainly to the extent that supporting metadata are available (though LMs could approximate these to some degree and at greater expense). More speculatively, we might be due a browser UX exploration phase as more native AI integration into browsing experiences becomes practical: many such designs could benefit from availability of epistemic metadata.</p></li></ul><h2>How? Why now?</h2><p>If this would be so great, why has nobody done it already? Well, vision is one thing, and we could also make a point about underprovision of collective goods like this. But more relevant, the technical capacity to pull off this stack is only really just coming online. We&#8217;re not the first people to notice the wonders of language models.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png" width="1024" height="572" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:572,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k3_V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6438a65-a59f-447f-8e02-271c7544b509_1024x572.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>First, the not inconsiderable inconveniences of the core epistemic activities we&#8217;ve discussed are made <em>less overwhelming</em> by, for example, the ability of LLMs to digest large amounts of source information, or to carry out semi-structured searches and investigations. Even so, this looks to us like mainly a power-user approach, even if it came packaged in widely available tools similar to deep research, and it doesn&#8217;t naively contribute to enriching knowledge commons. We can do better.</p><p>With a lightweight, extensible protocol for metadata, <em>caching and sharing</em> of discovered inference structure and discourse structure becomes nearly trivial<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-11" href="#footnote-11" target="_self">11</a>. Now the investigations of power users (and perhaps ongoing clerical and maintenance work by LLM agents) produce <em>positive epistemic spillover</em> which can be consumed in principle by any downstream application or interface, and which composes with further work<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-12" href="#footnote-12" target="_self">12</a>. Further, the risks of hallucinated or confabulated sources (for LMs as with humans) can be limited by (sometimes adversarial) checking. The epistemic power is <em>in the process</em>, not in the AI.</p><p>Various types of openness can bring benefits: extensibility, trust, reach, distribution &#8212; but can also bring challenges like bad faith contributions (for example omitting or pointing to incorrect sources) or mistakes. Tools and protocols at each layer will need to navigate such tradeoffs. One approach could have multiple authorities akin to public libraries taking responsibility for providing living, well-connected views over different corpora and topics &#8212; while, importantly, providing public APIs for endorsing or critiquing those metadata. Alternatively, perhaps anyone (or their LLM) could check, endorse, or contribute alternative structural metadata<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-13" href="#footnote-13" target="_self">13</a>. Then the provisions of identity and endorsement in an assessment layer would need to solve the challenges of filtering and canonicalisation.</p><p>In specific epistemic communities and on particular topics, this could drive much more comprehensive understanding of the state of discourse, pushing the knowledge frontier forward faster and more reliably. Across the broader public, discourse mapping and inference metadata can act against deliberate or accidental distortion, supporting (and incentivising) more good faith communication.</p><h2>Takeaways</h2><p>Knowledge, especially reliable shared knowledge, helps humans individually and collectively be <em>more right</em> in making plans and taking action. Helping people better trust the ways they get and share useful information can deliver widespread benefits as well as defending against large-scale risk, whether from mistakes or malice.</p><p>We communicate at greater scales than ever, but our foundational knowledge infrastructure hasn&#8217;t scaled in the same way. We see a large space of opportunities to improve that &#8212; only recently coming into view with technical advances in AI and ever-cheaper compute.</p><p>This is the first in what will be a series exploring one corner of the design landscape for epistemic tech: there are many uncertainties still, but we&#8217;re excited enough that we&#8217;re investigating and investing in pushing it forward.</p><p>We&#8217;ll flesh out more of our current thinking on this stack in future entries in this series, including more on existing efforts in the space, interoperability, and core challenges here (especially distribution).</p><p>Please get in touch if any of this excites or inspires you, or if you have warnings or reasons to be skeptical!</p><p><em>Thanks to our colleagues at the Future of Life Foundation, and to several epistemic tech pioneers for helpful conversations feeding into our thinking.</em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" 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Make sure to cite this post clearly when you share it!</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/a-full-epistemic-stack?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/a-full-epistemic-stack?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>You might think this is a new or worsening phenomenon, or you might think it perennial. Either way, it&#8217;s hard to deny that things would ideally be much better. We further think there is some urgency to this, both due to rising stakes and due to foreseeable potential for escalating distortion via AI.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Improved terminological branding sorely needed</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Coauthor Oly formerly frequently used single hyphens for this sort of punctuation effect, but <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1fx12q1/is_an_em_dash_proof_of_ai_manipulation/">coincidentally</a> started using em-dashes recently when someone kindly pointed out that it&#8217;s trivial to write them while drafting in google docs. This entire doc is human-written (except for images). Citation: trust us.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>or perhaps as early as Homo erectus and his <a href="https://humanjourney.us/language/symbolic-language/">supposed pantomime communication</a>, or even earlier</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Some such guarantees might come from signed hardware, proof of personhood, or watermarking. We&#8217;re not expecting (nor calling for!) all devices or communications to be identified, and not necessarily expecting increased pervasiveness of such devices. Even where the capability is present on hardware, there are legitimate reasons to prefer to scrub identifying metadata before some transmissions or broadcasts. In a related but separate thread of work, we&#8217;re interested in ways to expand the frontier of privacy x verification, where we also see some promising prospects.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Compare search engine indexes, or the <a href="https://archive.org/about/">Internet Archive</a>.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Relatedly, but not necessarily as part of this package, we are interested in automating and scaling the ability to quickly identify rhetorical distortion or unsupported implicature, which manifests in science as <a href="https://www.clearerthinking.org/post/importance-hacking-a-major-yet-rarely-discussed-problem-in-science">importance hacking</a> and in journalism as spin, sensationalism, and misleading framing.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Wikipedia, itself somewhere on the frontier of human epistemic infrastructure, becomes at its weakest points a battleground and a source of contention that it&#8217;s not equipped to handle in its own terms.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This gives open, discoverable discourse a lot of adversarial robustness. You can do all you like to deny a case, malign its proponents, claim it&#8217;s irrelevant&#8230; but these are all just new (sometimes valuable!) entries in the implicit &#8216;ledger&#8217; of discourse on a topic. This &#8216;append-only&#8217; property is much more robust than an opinionated summary or authoritative canonical position. Of course append-only raises practical computational and storage concerns, and editorial bias can re-enter any time summarisation and assessment is needed.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Up- and down-resolution is already cheaply available on request: simply ask an LLM &#8216;explain this more&#8217; or &#8216;summarise this&#8217;. But the process will be illegible, hard to repeat, and lack the trust-providing support of grounding in annotated content.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Storage and indexing is the main constraint to caching and sharing, but the metadata should be a small fraction of what is already stored and indexed in many ways on the internet.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-12" href="#footnote-anchor-12" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">12</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>How to fund the work that produces new structure? In part, integration with platforms and workflows that people already use. In part, this is a public good, so we&#8217;re talking about philanthropic and public goods funding. In some cases, institutions and other parties with interest in specific investigations may bring their own compute and credits.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-13" href="#footnote-anchor-13" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">13</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Does this lack of opinionated authority on canonical structure defeat the point of epistemic commons? Could a cult, say, provision their own para-epistemic stack? Probably &#8212; in fact in primitive ways <a href="https://www.clearerthinking.org/post/what-makes-something-a-cult">they already do</a> &#8212; but it&#8217;d be more than a little inconvenient, and we think that availability of epistemic foundation data and ideally integration into existing platforms, especially <em>because</em> it&#8217;s unopinionated and flexible in terms of final assessment, can drive much improvement in any less-than-completely adversarially cursed contexts.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Better than logarithmic returns to reasoning?]]></title><description><![CDATA[When does thinking harder (or longer) pay off?]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/better-than-logarithmic-returns-to</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/better-than-logarithmic-returns-to</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 00:50:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eqDq!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6faaaa8-072a-4eb5-9ce9-b6b378c8044a_1098x1098.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of phenomena turn out to have logarithmic returns: to get an improvement, you double effort or resources put in, but then to get the same improvement you have to double inputs again and again and so on. Equivalently, input costs are exponential in output quality<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. You can probably think of some examples.</p><p>I want to know: is &#8216;extra reasoning compute&#8217; like this? (Or, under what conditions and by what means can you beat this?) I&#8217;m especially interested in this question as applied to <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/aPnduAouYFzbTyhkm/you-can-t-skip-exploration-why-understanding-experimentation">deliberate exploration and experiment design</a>.</p><p>Said another way, from a given decision-context, without making extra observations or gathering extra data, what are the optimal marginal returns to &#8216;thinking harder&#8217;<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> about what to do next?</p><p>Intuitively, if I have a second to come up with a plan, it might be weak, five minutes and it might be somewhat reasonable, a day and it&#8217;ll be better, a year (full time!) and I&#8217;ve reached <em>very</em> diminishing returns. Presumably a century in my ivory tower would be barely better. I&#8217;d usually do better trying to get more data.</p><p>Is this even a sensible question, or is &#8216;improvement in reasoning output&#8217; far too vague to get traction here?</p><p>That&#8217;s the question; below some first thoughts toward an answer.</p><h2>Simple model: repeated sampling/best of k</h2><p>If you have a proposal generator, and you can choose between proposals, a simple approach to getting better generations is:</p><ul><li><p>sample a large number, k, of proposals</p></li><li><p>(try to) evaluate and pick the best one</p></li></ul><p>(This is actually the best strategy you could take if you can only add parallel compute, but there might be strictly better approaches if you can add serial<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>.)</p><p>Even assuming you can unerringly pick the best one, this strategy turns out to have logarithmically-bounded expected value for many underlying distributions of proposals<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>. In fact, for a normally-distributed proposal generator, you even get the slightly worse <em>square root of logarithmic</em> growth<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a>.</p><p>You can in principle sidestep this if your proposal generator has sufficiently heavy-tailed proposal distribution, <em>and</em> you can reliably ex ante distinguish better from worse at the tails.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Subscribe! Don&#8217;t spend more than k seconds thinking about it.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h2>Another simple model: widely distributed &#8216;promise&#8217; of lines of inquiry</h2><p>Suppose you have various lines of inquiry to spend thinking time on. The best you can do is:</p><ul><li><p>start thinking on the most promising lines</p></li><li><p>spend additional thinking on successively less promising lines</p></li></ul><p>(This assumes you can somewhat reliably distinguish promise.)</p><p>If their &#8216;quality&#8217; or &#8216;promise&#8217; ranges over many orders of magnitude, then even if you get to accumulate insights additively<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a>, you&#8217;ll actually make only bounded progress<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a> towards a theoretical &#8216;best possible&#8217; - this is <em>worse</em> than logarithmic, though looks qualitatively similar over a substantial range of effort.</p><p>But why would the promise of lines of inquiry range over many orders of magnitude? We might say, &#8216;in practice, it often seems to&#8217;, and there are some theoretical reasons to expect this. You &#8216;pick low hanging fruit&#8217; earliest, and face diminishing returns later. But to a large extent this model assumes the conclusion.</p><h2>Other rougher gestures</h2><h3>Search depth</h3><p>Often to find approximate solutions to problems, we might employ search over a tree-like structure. This emerges very naturally for planning over time, for example, where branching options (whether choice or chance) at each chosen time interval give rise to a tree of possible plans. (Compare <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_tree_search">Monte Carlo tree search</a>.)</p><p>If gains are roughly uniform in search depth, this gives rise to logarithmic returns to further search. With excellent heuristics, you might be able to prune large fractions of the tree - this gives you a kinder exponent, but still an exponential space to search.</p><p>When (if at all) are gains over search depth dependably <em>growing</em>, rather than uniform at best? Alternatively, when can uniform (or better) gains be reliably achieved by expanding the search strictly less than exponentially?</p><h3>Modelling chaos</h3><p>Chaotic systems are characterised by sensitivity to initial conditions: dynamics where measurement or specification errors compound exponentially.</p><p>So, to forecast at a given precision and probabilistic resolution, it takes exponentially tighter <em>initial specification precision</em> to forecast marginal incremental time depth. (This is why in practice we only ever successfully forecast chaotic systems like weather at quite coarse precision or short horizon.)</p><p>Specification precision doesn&#8217;t exactly map to having extra compute, but it feels close. And marginal incremental time depth doesn&#8217;t necessarily correspond uniformly to &#8216;goodness of plan&#8217;.</p><h3>Combinatorial search</h3><p>If there&#8217;s some space of ingredients or components which can be combined for possible insight, the size of the search space is exponential<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a> in the number of components in a proposed combination. So if, among good plans at each scale, gains are proportional to the number of components in the plan (and there are similarly many good plans at each scale), you get logarithmic returns to searching longer.</p><p>Something similar applies if the design possibilities benefit from combining already-discovered structures in a hierarchy, for example if emergent features of subcomponents unlock new levels of effectiveness in a combined design (molecules, peptides, proteins, organelles, cells, ...).</p><p>But the assumption of roughly uniform gains over scales like this is carrying some weight here.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Notably this means that, unless you have an exponentially growing source of inputs to counteract it, there&#8217;s a practical upper limit to growing the output, because you can only double so many times. And with an exponentially-growing input, you can get a modest, linear improvement to output.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>i.e. computing for longer or computing more parallel. Parallel can&#8217;t be better than serial in returns to total compute, so I&#8217;m mainly interested in the more generous serial case. For parallel, it&#8217;s easier to bound because the algorithm space is more constrained (&#8217;sample many in parallel, choose best&#8217; is the best you can do asymptotically).</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Intuitively you can &#8216;reason deeper&#8217; with extra serial compute, which might look like recursing further down a search tree. You can also take proposals and try to <em>refine or improve</em> rather than just throwing them out and trying again from scratch.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Proof. Suppose the generator produces proposals with quality X. All we assume is that the distribution of X has a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment-generating_function">moment-generating function</a> (this is not true of all distributions, in particular heavy-tailed distributions may not have a MGF). Denote k individual samples as X_i. Note first by Jensen&#8217;s inequality that:</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;e^{t \\Bbb E \\left[ \\max_i X_i \\right]} \\le\n\n    \\Bbb E e^{t \\left[ \\max_i X_i \\right]} =\n\n    \\Bbb E \\max_i e^{t X_i}\n&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;OPLOPMAOBD&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p></p><p>i.e. the exponential of the expected maximum in question is bounded by the expected maximum of the exponentials. But a max of positive terms is bounded by the sum:</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;\\Bbb E \\max_i e^{t X_i} \\le\n\n    \\Bbb E \\sum_i e^{t X_i} =\n\n    k \\Bbb E e^{t X}&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;ZZNIXTJKGC&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p></p><p>(writing X for a representative single sample.) But that&#8217;s just k times the moment-generating function (which we assumed exists). So for all positive t,</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;\\Bbb E \\left[ \\max_i X_i \\right] \\le \\frac {\\ln k + \\ln MGF(t)} t&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;LKSPGGRHKP&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p></p><p>So (fixing any t, or minimising over t) we see at most logarithmic growth in k.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Take the proof of the general case for an arbitrary distribution with a moment-generating function. Substitute the normal moment-generating function</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;MGF(t) = e^{\\frac {\\sigma^2 t^2} 2}&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;UMMHHLEHWN&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p></p><p>so that</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;\\Bbb E \\left[ \\max_i X_i \\right] \\le \\frac {\\ln k} t + \\frac {\\sigma^2 t} 2&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;MFWTLBCJVI&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p></p><p>Minimising over (positive) t,</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;    \\Bbb E \\left[ \\max_i X_i \\right] \\le \\sigma \\sqrt {2 \\ln k}&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;GYIRKRGUEP&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Perhaps the insights literally combine into an overall improved proposal, or perhaps less promising lines of inquiry provide fallback or robustness benefits in case the earlier ones fail in practice.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Qualities might be evenly spread over e.g 1, 1/10, 1/100, 1/1000, ... or more generally 1, 1/r, 1/r^2, .... Then the sum of your efforts is geometric, gradually approaching</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;\\frac r {r-1}&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;SNILSWKXDV&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Or more than exponential if the order or configuration matters!</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[You Can’t Skip Exploration]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why understanding experimentation and taste is key to understanding AI]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/you-cant-skip-exploration</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/you-cant-skip-exploration</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 16:08:35 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F77f91991-1226-463f-8154-7f7199ff4eca_4527x3018.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This essay is part 1 of a series on the role of <em>exploration</em> in AI and the implications for AI development and governance.</p><p>This part introduces <em>exploration</em> and <em>research taste</em>, as well as discussing their role in research and development, and the ways that AI could change that picture. This gives rise to some exciting and underexplored (!) opportunities for beneficial and defensive contributions to research.</p><p>A second essay will discuss more implications for AI development and governance, including the potential for AI to accelerate the pace of development of AI itself, and some implications for safety and security.</p><p>Neither essay will be especially technical, but I will gesture to the technical and mathematical aspects that I find to be illuminating. As ever when I write I raise more questions than I answer! But I hope to provide some initial useful takeaways as well as productive directions for thinking about these issues.</p><h2>Introducing exploration and experimentation</h2><p>Scientific and technological progress are driven by <em>experimentation</em>: that is, doing things to find out how the world works. In the field of AI we call this 'exploration'.</p><p>Exploration for learning is not just a human phenomenon: it's ubiquitous in natural systems at various scales (from evolution itself to the play of young animals), in individual human lifetimes (as we learn skills or contribute to novel discoveries) as well as human institutions and societies (which also learn through experience), and in computer science and AI (where exploration for discovery and problem-solving are common).</p><p>We care a lot about scientific and technological potential - they can yield enormous risks (from accident, misuse, or societal destabilisation) or enormous benefits (solving major problems in medicine, climate, energy, or even defending against other risky technologies). So exploration isn't just of academic interest.</p><p>When we forget to consider <em>how</em> new knowledge is generated, how novel technologies are developed, when we conflate 'knowledge' with 'learning' or 'learning' with 'exploring', mistakes are made. Especially when such predictions are action-guiding we can end up taking misguided or even harmful actions, or missing opportunities to intervene in beneficial ways. So let's do some unpacking!</p><p>What factors make exploration (and by extension, research) more or less effective? What are the bottlenecks and limits to exploration? How could AI change the picture? And how can we apply insights from this lens to contribute to a better future?</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h2>Why does exploration matter?</h2><p><em>Knowledge production loop: activity yields observations, improving knowledge &#8212; Exploration drives the loop &#8212; Lack of exploration means knowledge stagnation &#8212; Exploration is key to understanding technological progress</em></p><p>Learning systems gather new knowledge and insights from observations/data. Random flailing or arbitrary data aren't especially helpful. You want it to be telling you something new that you didn't already know - so it pays to deliberately seek out or gather novelty and informative observations<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. This applies at the grandest scales of scientific endeavour as well as in mundane scenarios like navigating an unfamiliar building or learning a new skill.</p><p>Owen Cotton-Barratt recently discussed <a href="https://strangecities.substack.com/p/knowledge-reasoning-and-superintelligence">the 'knowledge production loop'</a>: activity and observations generate data (captured in datasets and models as 'crystallised intelligence') and combine with thinking algorithms ('fluid intelligence') to in turn drive new activity and observations.</p><p>I'd additionally characterise exploration as the way that crystallised world model and novelty taste interact with fluid reasoning and planning to <em>judiciously choose</em> activities yielding the most informative observations... in turn improving world models and taste ad infinitum.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg" width="1456" height="976" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:976,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Crystallized knowledge in a Trained Model (produced from Data by Learning Algorithms and Training Compute) combines with Capacity for thought in Inference compute and Thinking algorithms to create an AI system. The AI system produces New ideas, Actions and Observations, which feed back as new Data.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Crystallized knowledge in a Trained Model (produced from Data by Learning Algorithms and Training Compute) combines with Capacity for thought in Inference compute and Thinking algorithms to create an AI system. The AI system produces New ideas, Actions and Observations, which feed back as new Data." title="Crystallized knowledge in a Trained Model (produced from Data by Learning Algorithms and Training Compute) combines with Capacity for thought in Inference compute and Thinking algorithms to create an AI system. The AI system produces New ideas, Actions and Observations, which feed back as new Data." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cqF-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3849141a-4e65-40e0-b105-ed71596031ea_1600x1072.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em><a href="https://strangecities.substack.com/p/knowledge-reasoning-and-superintelligence">Owen Cotton-Barratt's diagram</a> of crystallized knowledge and fluid reasoning ('capacity for thought') giving rise to a 'knowledge production loop'. Here I discuss exploration as the difference between occasionally chancing upon informative new data and proactively seeking it out (or deliberately producing serendipitous conditions for making new discoveries).</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Quality and quantity of exploration mark the vast difference between a civilization with vibrant progress in science and technology and one with a near-static (or even regressing) capability base - and on an individual level, it's often the difference between rapidly developing new skills or knowledge and getting stuck in a rut.</p><p>Understanding exploration is therefore key to understanding technological progress, with all the risks and benefits that entails.</p><h2>Research and taste</h2><p><em>Research is world-model-refinement &#8212; Exploration quality drives research &#8212; Taste is a learned feel for value of information &#8212; Reasoning and world modelling augment taste for exploratory planning</em></p><p>'Research' can be thought of broadly as refining one's world model in a particular domain. We want to know things like: how does electromagnetism work and what can it do for us? How can we prevent diseases from ruining lives? Or (more mundane) how can I get better at playing the piano or juggling? When I say 'research', I equally refer to personal learning and skill-building, scientific research, entrepreneurialism, and business development: all involve exploration and learning from experience.</p><p>We can describe three factors determining research production:</p><ul><li><p>Throughput: doing more practice, running more experiments, gathering more data faster, etc.</p></li><li><p>Modelling efficiency: gathering more generalisable insight <em>from</em> a given experiment or observation.</p></li><li><p>Exploration quality: choosing better experiments and routines to get <em>more informative</em> observations.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p></li></ul><p>We'll mostly talk about exploration quality here<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>, which is in turn governed by <em>taste</em> and <em>exploratory planning</em>.</p><p>What do I mean by 'taste'? Sometimes people refer to 'research taste' as a sense which develops from domain experience for the types of experiments and other activities which are most likely to be interesting or informative, or otherwise move forward the state of understanding. Clearly this is an essential component of any deliberate exploration - otherwise you're back to flailing randomly!</p><p>The taste that's being developed is exactly analogous to a taste for activity which is liable to yield good outcomes of other kinds. We're just considering the <em>value of information</em> as the good in question. So this decomposes into an ability to come up with promising proposals more often, perhaps together with abilities to discriminate more accurately between better and worse proposals or to determine refinements and improvements to proposals<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>.</p><p>Now, imagine - for the sake of the argument - you're a human. Even better, in fact, imagine you're inhumanly fast and detail-sensitive, the best reasoner in the world, and you have general knowledge matching the rest of the world combined. You still need to do research in order to make new discoveries. If you don't know the details yet, experimentation isn't something you can skip!<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> Your especially effective reasoning merely acts as another input to exploration quality, alongside domain research taste, perhaps allowing you to choose better experiments, and achieve results sooner. Reasoning applied effectively in this way is exploratory planning.</p><p>So <em>present</em> exploration quality depends on your current level of taste, while <em>future</em> exploration quality will also depend on taste accrual<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a>. Reasoning and planning of course also feed into this, as we improve proposals and discard designs in favour of better-looking ones - but this has to ground out in a taste for what makes a good proposal in the first place.</p><h3>From play to experimentation</h3><p><em>Play is proto-exploration &#8212; Fun is proto-taste &#8212; Humans adaptably accrue taste in novel domains &#8212; Taste is domain-specific but exploratory principles generalise</em></p><p>These aspects of taste are discovered and refined through experience. Research taste is domain-specific!</p><p>Many humans and animals, especially youngsters, have built in instincts for play, curiosity, and novelty. These have been tuned by painstaking natural selection to aid in orienting to the range of body configurations, environments and communities those animals usually inhabit, precisely by exploring: gathering evidence and information about how things work. In this case, evolution did the slow, gradual work of determining the 'taste', the recognisable hallmarks of good exploratory behaviour, and wired up the 'fun' sense to those hallmarks<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nZ7c!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F77f91991-1226-463f-8154-7f7199ff4eca_4527x3018.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nZ7c!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F77f91991-1226-463f-8154-7f7199ff4eca_4527x3018.jpeg 424w, 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For diverse animals, discovering the particular ways your body and brain interact, and how those affect and are affected by your surroundings, is a key part of learning adaptable and dynamic behaviours. Individual playfulness delivers novelty and exploration, while group play, especially mock contests, provides a rich 'curriculum' for development (much like the '<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-play">self play</a>' of some AI training system designs). (Image from <a href="https://www.freepik.com/free-photo/baby-foxes-with-beige-fur-fighting-with-each-other-grasses_10722512.htm">freepik.com</a>)</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>As <a href="https://aiprospects.substack.com/p/why-intelligence-isnt-a-thing">Eric Drexler says</a>,</p><blockquote><p>We call children intelligent because of what they can learn, not what they can do</p></blockquote><p>Playful young animals and humans thereby become adept at controlling their bodies and engaging in effective social interaction. But humans move past mere bodily control and socialisation: we use and develop tools, technologies, and diverse and innovative social structures.</p><p>For many researchers and others engaging in creation, experimenting is a lot like playing! - the rich and sophisticated kinds of play that humans engage in somewhat instinctively. But, because research and development and science and industry move <em>beyond</em> the historic realms of human activity, the 'taste' bestowed by evolution is rarely well suited. An untrained human has no instinct at all for the kinds of experiments that are most likely to yield useful information about the behaviour of a new material or the structure of an unseen mathematical object! This applies equally to business activities and entrepreneurialism. Substantial experience is needed.</p><p>Do we see areas where 'taste' generalises, pointing against the claim of domain-specificity? The broad principles of science and engineering appear to generalise across domains, and evidence suggests that individual humans and human organisations vary in their latent potential to <em>accrue and apply</em> research taste. This might be down to being more or less motivated to explore, having different capacity to learn from experience, or varying procedures for planning next steps. This gives rise to an <em>appearance</em> of research taste generality. But domain-specific research taste is mastered only through domain-specific experience. Expert researchers in one area may contribute to other areas - but almost always only after gaining some depth of familiarity with the new area as well.</p><p>So it's reasonable to think of exploration quality as comprising two subfactors. First, the somewhat transferable general principles of exploration: playfulness, open-mindedness, planning for novelty and interestingness. And second, domain-specific research taste: the experience that guides determination of what situations <em>count</em> as novel or interesting<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a>, and what types of planning are most likely to uncover them.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h2>Exploration in AI, past and future</h2><p><em>First: humans curate data &#8212; Now: RL allows automatic data generation &#8212; Next?: in-context exploration characterises R&amp;D tasks &#8212; Perhaps this is &#8216;AGI&#8217;?</em></p><p>In contemporary frontier AI systems, it's been mostly humans responsible for gathering 'high quality' informative data, often in quite hands-off ways like scraping huge datasets from the internet, but latterly with more attention on procurement and curation of especially informative or exemplary data.</p><p>With reinforcement learning (RL), the data coming in starts to rely increasingly on the activity of the system itself - together with whatever grading mechanism is in place. That's why lots of RL conversations of the past were so obsessed by exploration: taking judicious actions to get the most informative observations! So earlier AI research actually foregrounded exploration somewhat more. Helen Toner recently discussed <a href="https://helentoner.substack.com/p/2-big-questions-for-ai-progress-in">the return of RL to centre stage in contemporary frontier AI</a>, asking what properties of a domain make it more or less amenable to gains from reinforcement learning.</p><p>Still, in many RL settings, the human engineers are able to curate training environments with high-signal automated feedback systems, as Toner discusses. On the other hand, once we're talking about activities like R&amp;D of various kinds, the task of exploring <em>is inherently most of the task itself</em>, making within-context exploration essential!</p><p>This makes 'learning to learn' or in particular 'learning to explore/experiment' among the most useful ways to operationalise 'AGI', from my perspective<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a>. I'm not sure how best to track this, and I'm not aware of any benchmarks or studies which take this view on frontier general AI<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a>. My personal experience with LM agents anecdotally points to them improving over time at orienting to uncertainties within their environment and being a little more creative at trying things out and testing things in 2025 than in 2024 or 2023, but not vastly - progress to date appears much more rapid in 'crystallised' intelligence.</p><h3>Research by AI: AI with research taste?</h3><p><em>Bootstrapping research taste from humans &#8212; AI advantages from speed and copying &#8212; AI learning by doing &#8212; Human advantages and bottlenecks to AI &#8212; Human-AI complementary workflows</em></p><p>There may be ways for AI training datasets to 'hoover up' research taste from existing experts and institutions, perhaps from lab notes or interviews, though humans at least usually learn more from actually trying research than merely from reading or talking about it. (This presumably reflects the fact that merely communicating about research experience is a much less rich source of information than actually experiencing it directly: the same issue faced by all kinds of knowledge transfer through limited media like language.)</p><p>So research taste in AI is not starting from scratch: already AI can talk in sensible, albeit sometimes basic ways about experiment design. The taste is bootstrapped from the taste implied by all the hints and observations in training data.</p><p>Could AI <em>surpass</em> the research taste exhibited by expert humans and human organisations? It's unclear where the ceiling is, but certainly AI would appear to have several advantages in principle: direct sharing of observations and experiences between instances, potentially far larger effective 'researcher headcount', total observation quantity far outstripping the longest-lived human experts (to date)<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-11" href="#footnote-11" target="_self">11</a>, all adding up to a far greater opportunity to accrue and accumulate taste. Additionally, due to computer speed, the opportunity to confer and deliberate in far more total depth the implications of each experiment and the appropriate designs of future experiments means that exploratory planning could also be boosted.</p><p>Crucially, acquiring <em>frontier-applicable</em> research taste would require either finding ways to bootstrap from existing research taste, which is often implicit (or even proprietary!), or enabling AI to learn by doing, perhaps aided by expert supervisors (just as human trainee researchers are), by instrumenting research processes and equipment with sensors and manipulators. Like hiring junior researchers, this would come with some upfront costs to any organisation attempting it<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-12" href="#footnote-12" target="_self">12</a>!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EzoV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84dc2a22-050f-4b50-869f-d0d2c178bcb7_1536x1024.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EzoV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84dc2a22-050f-4b50-869f-d0d2c178bcb7_1536x1024.png 424w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>ChatGPT's interpretation of an AI with better research taste than human organisations.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>Human researchers begin with some advantages today: easier physical manipulation of experimental materials (for now), a capital base of experimental equipment designed for human use, and an ecosystem designed around the training, retention, and interaction of human experts. These aren't fundamental barriers to researcher AIs, but represent some hurdles or bottlenecks that might take time and other resources to reach past.</p><p>Of course, the capacities to interpret evidence, propose experiments, design and refine proposals, and to implement experiments need not reside 'in the same mind', just as human organisations already exhibit this division of labour. But the better fitted these pieces are to each other, the more efficient the overall system will be. Drexler's '<a href="https://aiprospects.substack.com/p/large-knowledge-models">large knowledge models</a>' discussion treats knowledge as a resource, to be combined with planning capacity and discernment from disparate sources. Similar agendas, for example from the <a href="https://www.aria.org.uk/opportunity-spaces/mathematics-for-safe-ai/safeguarded-ai/">UK's Advanced Research and Invention Agency (ARIA)</a> perhaps promise both a more effective and more safely manageable way to integrate AI into research processes than wholesale development of autonomous researcher AIs.</p><h2>Opportunities</h2><p><em>Recapping research, experimentation, exploration, taste &#8212; Implications for AI forecasting and &#8216;intelligence explosion&#8217; &#8212; Differentially bootstrapping AI taste &#8212; Differentially complementing AI exploration &#8212; Detecting dangerous research &#8212; Exploring AI applications for flourishing</em></p><p>Deliberate experimentation, consisting of exploratory planning and research taste, is a critical component of efficient learning - which, in R&amp;D-heavy domains at least, because they inherently butt against the boundaries of the known, is foundational to progress.</p><p>Much more can and should be said about the implications of an experimentation-oriented view of R&amp;D, both on AI and facilitated by AI in other domains. Here are some initial directions:</p><p>First, in forecasting AI capabilities and timelines, we should account for the costs of experimentation. This can include quantifying the relevant variables (iteration speed, quality of simulation, modelling, and exploratory planning, accrual and accumulation of research taste, the cost of experimental resources including compute and real-world interactions, etc.). Of particular interest, this could help to characterise the potential for 'self' improvement and the possibility of an intelligence explosion (which matter by implications for other R&amp;D and for loss of control over AI systems).</p><p>You can't skip exploration! But greater intelligences (individual or collective) can be more efficient at it in general, and domain-specific taste in particular certainly yields improved rate of progress.</p><p>This cuts both ways for safety. You can't develop dangerous nanotech purely from first principles: you have to experiment, either in vitro or in silico. Unfortunately, nor can you generate new defensive vaccination, sterilisation, or biomonitoring paradigms without putting in the experimental legwork.</p><p>This may be revealing for those seeking to <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/ai-tools-for-existential-security">differentially drive beneficial and defensive research</a> ahead of risky research. For example, exposing research logs and expert interviews to AI systems may yield a way to bootstrap specific kinds of research taste in AI. Alternatively, recognising the default taste-weakness but speed-advantage and general knowledge breadth of AI systems may suggest strategies for complementary human-AI workflows which could be both more effective and more manageable than naively attempting to create researcher AIs wholesale.</p><p>Beyond AI-driven exploratory planning and research taste, we should expect strong synergy with robotics, sensors, simulation, modelling, and other automation technologies, as complementary production factors in R&amp;D progress. This is likely to naturally drive investment into these technologies, but may provide opportunities to differentially unbottleneck AI multipliers in beneficial areas by devoting development to their specific complements in particular.</p><p>Further, noting that technology can rarely be developed purely from first principles, intelligence and security organisations concerned about risky research directions may be able to anticipate the kinds of experiments that are likely to be useful, and therefore the kinds of resources and activities required to make progress in those areas. This may include flows and concentrations of certain machines or components, movements of specific rare materials, movement of human talent, or known side-effects of experiments. Where materials are very dual-use (such as concentrations of computing clusters), <a href="https://aiprospects.substack.com/p/security-without-dystopia-new-options">structured inspection, auditing, or transparency tools</a> may aid in guaranteeing that only safe and sanctioned experiments are being carried out.</p><p>Finally, now is a great time to be experimenting with AI systems and their applications, <em>especially</em> for people who haven't traditionally paid attention to AI. Rapid developments mean that the extent of possibilities with current tech remains underexplored, and <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/ai-tools-for-existential-security">boosting defensive and beneficial applications</a> ahead of risky ones is a great way to ensure that the future is better than it otherwise would be!</p><p><em>Thanks to Owen Cotton-Barratt and Jay Bailey for feedback and conversations on this topic</em></p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/you-cant-skip-exploration?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Oly on AI! This post is public so feel free to share it.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/you-cant-skip-exploration?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/you-cant-skip-exploration?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This because just flailing, or even just 'doing routine activities', gets you <em>some</em> novelty of observations, but <em>directedly seeking informative circumstances at the boundaries of the known</em> (which includes making novel unpredictable events happen, as well as getting equipped with richer means to observe and record them, and perhaps preparing to deliberatively extract insight) turns out to be able to mine vastly more insight per resource (time, materials, etc.). Hence science, but also hence individual human and animal playfulness, curiosity, adversarial exercises and drills (self-play ish), and whatnot.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Notably, modelling efficiency and exploration quality are sometimes conflated as 'sample efficiency'. In the case of modelling efficiency it's about forming accurate and generalisable models from fewer observations (the classic machine learning sense of sample efficiency). For exploration quality, it's about gathering more informative observations from fewer environment interactions (a kind of 'sample efficiency' familiar from reinforcement learning).</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Incidentally, throughput should not be underestimated - this is why industrial expansion often <em>precedes and drives</em> innovation progress as well as being a product of it. There are some very general patterns in 'industrial learning', such as <a href="https://ourworldindata.org/learning-curve">Wright's Law</a>, which describes consistent statistical relationships between the number of units produced and reductions in production cost. We might speculate that Wright's law applies most in domains where the existing human research and development organisations are at the limits of their modelling efficiency and exploration quality, and that the remaining bottlenecks are mostly in experimental throughput.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Speaking of 'taste', this is a little like the difference between a good chef and a good food critic. The chef needs to be able to come up with good recipes, while the critic needs to be able to tell which recipes are good and which are bad. In concert (perhaps adversarially!), they can create and refine recipes that are more likely to be successful.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>If you have a perfect simulation of the relevant domain, you can run experiments in the simulation. This looks a bit like skipping experimentation: certainly it can be faster. In a softer sense, a useful but imperfect model can also support reasoning about experiments and potential outcomes. In my taxonomy, both of these are part of the continuum of <em>using world modelling, planning, and some amount of taste to guide exploration</em>.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>While we're talking in economic terms, it's worth noting that research taste is a kind of capital. It can even depreciate over time! This happens in two ways. Intrinsically, as the frontier of research moves, what were formerly good intuitions may become outdated. Additionally, individual humans, currently major (though not exclusive) repositories of research taste, age, get distracted, or otherwise lose their edge. In steady fields, depreciation is slow. In fast moving fields, like AI, the frontier is moving fast, and taste depreciation can be very rapid, making accrual and accumulation of taste especially important.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>My baby son is evidently thrilled by the challenge of 'balancing' (with some support) upright, a feat he can't yet accomplish, but which is unsurprisingly the kind of activity his brain is eager to get practice at. He instinctively pays close attention to new sights and sounds. His once-flailing hands now grasp interesting objects and begin to manipulate them. When he begins crawling and then toddling, he'll join generations of baby humans in enjoying <a href="https://www.mpg.de/617475/pressRelease20101111">the most prolonged and diversely playful childhoods</a> of any young animal.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>interesting, i.e. carrying high value of information for the domain in question.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>(Of course there are nevertheless also many transformative impacts that can come from AI merely with heaps of crystallised intelligence and less R&amp;D ability. For example, we could imagine an interesting possible paradigm in which humans continue for some time to provide input on informative experiment design, while delegating aspects like experiment implementation and interpretation to automated systems. Also note that some crystallised knowledge is currently very rare and concentrated, while if present in AI systems could be much more widely accessible, for better or worse.)</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Scattered RL studies set out to evaluate or demonstrate the exploration potential of various RL algorithms, usually in toy environments. <a href="https://arcprize.org/arc-agi">The ARC-AGI benchmarks</a> test sample efficiency, which may be an important component of effectively accruing 'taste', but is not directly about exploration.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>In fact another relevant comparison may not be between AI and individual humans, but between AI and human research organisations and institutions. Human organisations can of course already outlive individual humans: to say nothing of the broader intergenerational projects of science and research. But communication of research taste and experience between humans is constrained, and while committees of experts sometimes outperform individuals, they are slow and far from able to directly share their relevant experiences. When will AI services be able to supplement or replace particular human research tasks? And what about entire research organisations?</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-12" href="#footnote-anchor-12" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">12</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The raw sample efficiency of base machine learning systems like gradient descent are famously apparently much lower than humans, meaning that AI 'junior researchers' could naively be even more costly to upskill than human ones. But as model capacity is scaled up, this may be changing. And speculatively, the possibility of lightweight finetuning, 'in-context' learning, and distillation point towards AI systems matching or exceeding human sample efficiency.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Is the Cat Out of the Bag?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Who knows how to make AGI?]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/is-the-cat-out-of-the-bag</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/is-the-cat-out-of-the-bag</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2025 17:07:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qO0s!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa41c77e7-a68c-4d2f-aeb8-78aa6753c1ca_1648x1178.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Adapted from 2025-04-10 internal memo to AISI</em></p><p>I&#8217;ve previously made arguments like:</p><blockquote><p>Not long after it becomes possible for <em>someone</em> to make powerful artificial intelligence<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>, it might become possible for <em>practically anyone</em> to make powerful AI.</p><ol><li><p>Compute gets exponentially cheaper by default.</p></li><li><p>Knowledge proliferates (fast!) by default: AI techniques are typically simple and easy once discovered.</p></li><li><p>What&#8217;s more, AGI-making know-how may be widespread already.</p></li></ol></blockquote><p>Or, as Yudkowsky puts it<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a><em>,</em></p><blockquote><p><em>Moore&#8217;s Law of Mad Science: Every eighteen months, the minimum IQ necessary to destroy the world</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a><em> drops by one point. - Yudkowsky</em></p></blockquote><p>It&#8217;s important to emphasise that none of these are laws of nature! But<a href="https://epoch.ai/blog/open-models-report"> the economic and social forces at work are quite strong</a>.</p><p>So (leaving aside <a href="https://www.agidefinition.ai/">debates about the appropriate definition of &#8216;AGI</a>&#8217;) where the frontier of AI development leads, others &#8211; many others &#8211; potentially rapidly follow. Followers can go even faster by stealing or otherwise harvesting insights from the frontier, but this is not a <em>hard</em> requirement &#8211; just an accelerant.</p><p>For more on the first point, compute getting cheaper, consider<a href="https://ourworldindata.org/moores-law"> Moore&#8217;s law</a> (or the more general and robust<a href="https://ourworldindata.org/learning-curve"> Wright&#8217;s law</a>). What about the know-how?</p><h2>Stupid, Simple AGI</h2><p>The stupidest, simplest possible approach to producing general intelligence might mimic evolution in a large, open-ended, interactive environment. Nobody has succeeded at this yet because they don&#8217;t have enough compute, but just a few more decades of compute scaling<a href="https://www.cold-takes.com/forecasting-transformative-ai-the-biological-anchors-method-in-a-nutshell/"> might get us there</a>. The code to do this would be ultimately quite simple, but the amount of compute time to run it is out of reach today. <a href="https://helentoner.substack.com/p/long-timelines-to-advanced-ai-have">Almost nobody nowadays thinks that it will take this long</a>, because this is the stupidest, simplest (and least steerable) possible approach and we have much better ideas.</p><p>But this means that unless something interrupts the compute trends, then <strong>even if ingenious, well-resourced people &#8216;get AGI first&#8217;, eventually anyone could practically </strong><em><strong>blunder into</strong></em><strong> creating their own</strong>. Of course, many things could be changed if powerful AI is developed and applied in the meantime&#8230; perhaps including the cost and efficiency of compute, the <em>distribution</em> of compute, or indeed the <em>existence and inclination</em> of people to do the blundering.</p><h2>The Design Space for AGI</h2><p>What did I mean by &#8216;AGI-making know-how may be widespread already&#8217;?</p><p>I don&#8217;t literally mean that the recipe for AGI is known and widespread. I don&#8217;t even mean that we broadly know exactly how to make AGI and simply want for the capital (compute and data). But for those paying attention, the <em>design space for practically achievable AGI</em> is narrowing.</p><p>Take long-horizon coherence or continual learning, for example. Maybe components of these are expandable memory and long-context management of plans and observations. This could perhaps be cracked with something resembling a selection from:</p><ul><li><p>Context summarisation</p></li><li><p>Read-write retrieval-augmented generation</p></li><li><p>Recurrent embeddings</p></li><li><p>Longer training trajectories</p></li><li><p>Plan-management or recursive delegation scaffolding</p></li><li><p>Periodic distillation of history into weights or activation patches</p></li><li><p>Explicit training for notetaking</p></li><li><p>Some even simpler thing, like &#8216;<a href="http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html">just scale up the compute</a>&#8217;</p></li></ul><p>Among the sharpest, most experienced practitioners at the frontier, that perceived design space may be narrower still<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>. In the far wider cohort comprising all competent computer scientists and engineers, the design space may not be as saliently in view &#8211; but the scientific &#8216;breadcrumbs&#8217; have been pointing in useful directions for years (at least).</p><p>My personal testament<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> is that by 2020, several landmarks were visibly coming together in NLP and RL, and by 2021 I had a good sense of a plausible research path to general autonomous AI. Developments like further scaling, mixtures of experts, chain of thought, LLM agents, RL &#8216;reasoning&#8217;, fast attention mechanisms, and hyperparameter tuning optimisations are not merely &#8216;obvious in hindsight&#8217;: their rough contours were advance predictable. It was <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/you-cant-skip-exploration">&#8216;merely&#8217; a matter of experimenting</a> to find out working details. I&#8217;m not being (especially) hubristic here: for some experts closer to the action, these same things looked plausible by 2017 or even earlier! The contours of tomorrow&#8217;s advancements are similarly already in view, and far more attention and capital are being poured into the discovery process.</p><p>That&#8217;s not to say that, given the capital, we could have created AGI there and then in a single try, or even here and now. A design space is <em><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/you-cant-skip-exploration">not</a></em><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/you-cant-skip-exploration"> a complete or final design</a>. But iterative refinement by well-resourced and moderately creative problem solvers has been charting a course, and if we are willing to anticipate one frontrunning group getting &#8216;all the way there&#8217; we must acknowledge that the feat will be reproducible in relatively short order.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">We must acknowledge that you could subscribe to this blog in relatively short order.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/future-proofing-frontier-ai-regulation">Scharre 2024</a> demonstrates (and forecasts) rising cost to reach new frontiers, but rapidly diminishing cost to reach the same capability level thereafter.</figcaption></figure></div><p>&#8216;Reproducible&#8217; is one thing. How soon and how fast? With the current level of sharing of research insights, the answer seems to be roughly &#8216;as soon as you can outlay comparable capital&#8217;, or <a href="https://epoch.ai/blog/open-models-report">even sooner</a>!</p><p>What phenomena are responsible for accelerating this proliferation? In very roughly descending order of effect size:</p><ul><li><p>Theft, leak, or deliberate release of pretrained baselines and training algorithms</p></li><li><p>Distillation (authorised or not) from exposed APIs</p></li><li><p>Exponentially cheaper compute</p></li><li><p>(Sometimes cheap or even public access to) ever more sensor and record data<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a></p></li><li><p>Shared algorithmic and experimental details in papers and blogposts</p></li><li><p>Conversations and rumours at conferences and other events<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a></p></li><li><p>Movement of experts between development groups and projects</p></li><li><p>Use of AI to assist development<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a></p></li></ul><p>Very <a href="https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA2849-1.html">tightly securitized</a> projects might partly dampen some of these effects. Competition between firms and countries could amplify them.</p><p>What about exponentially cheaper compute? Market dynamics might pivot at some stage to reduce or even reverse the effect of dwindling compute price (for example, extreme buyer concentration driven by strategic accumulation, increasing marginal compute utility<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a>, deliberate regulatory intervention on compute, or something else), but will otherwise continue to drive proliferation. On the other hand, if compute production <em>increases</em> even faster, costs may drop commensurably faster<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a>.</p><p>Sensor and records data are being collected even more feverishly now that companies have realised their critical use in training modern AI systems &#8212; notice when companies&#8217; privacy policies update to include carve-outs for collecting AI training data. We should expect more of this, as well as more collection of physical and industrial activity records for training robotics, autonomous vehicles, and automated laboratory workcells.</p><p>Alternatively, some have imagined an &#8216;end of history&#8217; moment when sufficiently smart AI arrives and (usually by underspecified mechanism) prevents all of these factors from proceeding. Some envisage not only that, but an AGI or AGI-enabled organisation foreclosing not only the <em>accelerants</em> of proliferation, but also the potential for a rival project to emerge <em>anywhere</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-11" href="#footnote-11" target="_self">11</a>. This is conceivable, but one has to ask on what timeframe these changes would happen, and the consequences if it takes longer than imagined.</p><p>Short of such an acute and decisive interruption of all of these dynamics, other shocks such as international conflict could have impacts in either direction.</p><h2>Concluding</h2><p>Intelligent engineering-minded people exist in all geographies and of all ideologies. Most lag the frontier of AI development only for want of compute capital and intent. Because compute continues to get cheaper, and the potential of AI comes more clearly into focus, both compute and intent become rapidly more widespread. The open sharing of discoveries can further lower barriers and shorten proliferation timelines, but is not essential to this dynamic.</p><p>Given this, we have to ask what the consequences of this proliferation could be. Where they are concerning, we must consider in what ways these dynamics could be defused, or, <a href="https://helentoner.substack.com/p/nonproliferation-is-the-wrong-approach">likely failing that</a>, how we will ready ourselves, on a short timeframe, for what follows.</p><p>We live in interesting times! There&#8217;s <a href="https://80000hours.org/ai/">a lot we can do</a>.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>For now I&#8217;ll use &#8216;powerful AI&#8217; and &#8216;AGI&#8217; (Artificial General Intelligence) interchangeably. The definitions have never been settled, and will likely never be settled, but I&#8217;m considering systems which are able to autonomously act, develop new tools and technology (given <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/you-cant-skip-exploration">sufficient research resources</a>), and in principle maintain or upgrade themselves if that was their goal.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>E.g. in <a href="https://intelligence.org/files/AIPosNegFactor.pdf">Artificial Intelligence as a Positive and Negative Factor in Global Risk</a> &#8211; Yudkowsky 2008 (though this phrase was coined earlier)</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Yudkowsky believes that <a href="https://ifanyonebuildsit.com/">sufficiently advanced AGI developed in a context like ours leads to everyone dying</a>. I think he&#8217;s probably right&#8230; but it depends a lot on how you operationalise &#8216;sufficiently advanced&#8217; and &#8216;context like ours&#8217;. That&#8217;s where all the action is!</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p><a href="https://blog.samaltman.com/reflections">Sam Altman claims</a> &#8220;We are now confident we know how to build AGI&#8221; and <a href="https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace">Dario Amodei predicts</a> it &#8220;could come as early as 2026&#8221;. These CEOs of some of the best resourced and talented AI organisations will have privileged insight into the design space, while also having unusual psychology and possible conflicts of interest. Meanwhile, Turing Award and Nobel Prize winners <a href="https://yoshuabengio.org/2023/08/12/personal-and-psychological-dimensions-of-ai-researchers-confronting-ai-catastrophic-risks/">Bengio</a> and <a href="https://x.com/geoffreyhinton/status/1653687894534504451?lang=en">Hinton</a> both think 2028 is possible. Crowd wisdom forecasts give wide uncertainty, but <a href="https://www.metaculus.com/questions/5121/date-of-artificial-general-intelligence/">centre on the early 2030s</a>. Experts rarely agree on exact anticipated details, but mostly agree on the outlines of the candidate design space.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>(as a smart computer scientist who has been roughly following AI since 2015, made it my graduate study in 2022, but who has never actively pursued frontier AI capability contributions)</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Think robots in factories, recordings and logs of computer use, autonomous vehicle logs, scientific lab measurements, CCTV and satellite readings, meeting recordings, social media activity logs, wearable recording devices, &#8230;</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Parties in Silicon Valley are allegedly a somewhat good source of technical AI gossip!</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The use of AI to assist AI development, or even to fully automate it, has long been discussed in the field of AI. The possibility of an <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity">&#8216;intelligence explosion&#8217;</a> or similar technological singularity is still debated decades after first being hypothesised. For the first time in 2025, some artificial intelligence researchers have claimed they achieve non-trivial acceleration in their work from AI assistance, and some companies have now <a href="https://x.com/olysourbut/status/1991504547831800102">set explicit targets</a> to automated AI research before the decade is out. If this plays out, it might make AI-assisted development a dominant contributor to accelerating progress. I tend to think that compute for experiments and environments for learning are the more critical bottlenecks to progress.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Historically, returns to concentrating more compute have been <em>eventually</em> diminishing (a typical pattern for tech products) once efficiencies from parallelism and brute force <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl's_law">run dry</a>. This supports a wide distribution of purchasers and diffusion of applications, because once the larger use cases hit diminishing returns, the smaller players and applications&#8217; willingness to buy exceeds the largers&#8217;. This remains so at the frontier of AI, though we see some concentration with a small number of very large players buying out a majority of the most advanced generations of chips when they are first marketed. If some new dynamic caused <em>increasing or constant</em> marginal returns to compute accumulation &#8212; who knows, perhaps exclusive access to AGI software &#8212; it might no longer be the case even on an open market that other buyers could afford compute.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This is not predicated on the simple effect of increased supply, which would merely serve to erode margins. Rather, increased production <a href="https://ourworldindata.org/learning-curve">predictably provides new technological insight</a>, driving further efficiency: the origin of Moore&#8217;s law. This is a much stronger effect over time.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Companies pursuing AGI do not have coherent strategies, but several have made <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/us-vs-china-vs-me">references to &#8216;beating China&#8217;</a>, and their intellectual heritage includes an assumption that the first AGI would be able to rapidly and decisively shut down competing projects. Sometimes the companies use this supposed dynamic as a justification for racing ahead while cutting corners on safety. This sounds a lot like &#8216;we plan to take over the world, but nicely&#8217;.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Cooperation and Alignment in Delegation Games]]></title><description><![CDATA[You need both! (and also fairness)]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/cooperation-and-alignment-in-delegation</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/cooperation-and-alignment-in-delegation</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:04:58 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9563ae23-296a-4927-aac4-d5b8cacdd9a4_1280x720.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This work was facilitated by the Oxford AI Safety and Governance group, Cooperative AI Foundation, and Oxford Autonomous Intelligent Machines and Systems. Thanks also to Bart Jaworski, Jesse Clifton, Joar Skalse, Sam Barnett, Vincent Conitzer, Charlie Griffin, David Hyland, Michael Wooldridge, Ted Turocy, and Alessandro Abate.</em></p><p>This blogpost accompanies the paper <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.15821">Cooperation and Control in Delegation Games</a> by Sourbut, Hammond, and Wood, which was presented at IJCAI 2024. In essence, the work attempts to deconfuse some of the discourse around safety, cooperation, and alignment in multi-agent settings by:</p><ul><li><p>Showing that, just like in the control problem, cooperation problems can be broken down into alignment and capabilities, which are <a href="https://arbital.com/p/orthogonality/">orthogonal</a> to one another;</p></li><li><p>Providing measures for alignment and capabilities (both &#8220;individual&#8221; and &#8220;collective&#8221;) in multi-principal multi-agent settings (&#8220;delegation games&#8221;);</p></li><li><p>Showing that any of these measures is <em>insufficient alone</em> to guarantee the best outcomes, but that they are together sufficient;</p></li><li><p>Bounding the principals&#8217; welfare loss in terms of these measures, and validating this with a series of empirical results.</p></li></ul><p>The goal of this post is to explain what those terms mean, and hopefully why it matters. In doing so, we hope to shed light on some of the related questions posed by other AI safety researchers, for example Dafoe et al in <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.08630">Open Problems in Cooperative AI</a> who discuss the concept of &#8216;horizontal&#8217; and &#8216;vertical&#8217; aspects of coordination, or an open problem on the AI Alignment Forum about <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ghyw76DfRyiiMxo3t/open-problem-how-can-we-quantify-player-alignment-in-2x2">quantifying player alignment in normal-form games</a>.</p><p>There is also <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cgHHKktIc7dVUti9k7qZwSw28m8rEGNJ/preview">a poster</a> which is an even more condensed summary of some key material, and Lewis and Oly have given a few presentations on the topic, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGj0I9Gq7k">one of which is recorded here</a>.</p><h2>Why Delegation Games?</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M_dC!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9691b7a9-c026-47a0-955a-16a923c8555c_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M_dC!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9691b7a9-c026-47a0-955a-16a923c8555c_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M_dC!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9691b7a9-c026-47a0-955a-16a923c8555c_1280x720.png 848w, 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It's a phrase and a setting which turns up in some economics literature, and elsewhere. The idea is that a principal (in this case, the human) is asking, telling, employing, or otherwise exhorting an agent (in this case, the robot) to act on their behalf. The 'problem' is the question of how to ensure that the agent's behaviour results in outcomes which the principal in fact prefers.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7qO5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7f32183-ec5e-4213-a0b6-fbadc6d17bc8_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7qO5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7f32183-ec5e-4213-a0b6-fbadc6d17bc8_1280x720.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><strong>Delegation games</strong> arise when we have <em>multiple</em> principals, and <em>multiple</em> agents.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> When you read 'principal', think 'human', and when you read 'agent', think 'AI'. (For a slightly different semantic, you can alternatively think of each principal as a basically-coherent coalition of humans, and likewise with AIs.)</p><p>Why does this setting matter? It's looking increasingly likely that, perhaps quite soon, many somewhat-autonomous digital personal assistants, digital employees, or similar, will be deployed on behalf of human overseers. That is, we might be entering a highly <em>multipolar</em> world when it comes to somewhat-autonomous AI deployments<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>. A more obvious, immediate, lower-stakes example of this is autonomous vehicles, which we use as a toy example in the paper. Finally, in the future, multiple large coalitions of humans (e.g. states or companies) may deploy powerful AI systems to act on their behalf in high-stakes scenarios. We want to understand the important features of how to make sure this goes well!</p><p>We formalise delegation games in the way you might expect: agents adopt strategies that lead to (a distribution over) outcomes, and both the agents and the principals have (potentially different) preferences over these outcomes.</p><h2>Cooperation, Alignment, and Calibration</h2><p>In the paper, we identify some key properties which influence the outcome of a delegation game. We&#8217;ll highlight Cooperation, Alignment, and Calibration, because one key punchline of the paper is:</p><blockquote><p>You need all three to guarantee good outcomes</p></blockquote><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUph!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d8aa3cf-9ff6-4c8f-8e51-eabff2ad4b72_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xUph!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d8aa3cf-9ff6-4c8f-8e51-eabff2ad4b72_1280x720.png 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is important to bear in mind given that much AI safety work focuses on alignment, which is (demonstrably) not enough for safety in multi-polar worlds.</p><p>We'll explain what these terms mean, what 'good outcomes' are, and by the end of the post we should have covered enough to understand the high level meaning of the highlighted inequality, which is adapted from Theorem 1 of our paper. This simplification also assumes agents are perfectly individually rational, which we generalise in the paper, and here we mostly skip over collective alignment, which gets a thorough treatment in the paper.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h3>Cooperation</h3><p>Intuitively, <strong>cooperation</strong> is working together for mutual gains over some uncooperative baseline. This is actually already non-terrible as a definition, but we can sharpen it.</p><p>Note that cooperation can be partial (one coalition cooperates, potentially with downsides for others). That's <strong>collusion</strong>. We especially <em>don't</em> want AI to be collusive! This is tricky, because cooperation and collusion rest on basically the same abilities and infrastructure. It's <a href="https://openreview.net/forum?id=tF464LogjS">a very important topic</a>, but we don't discuss it here.</p><h4><strong>Cooperation example</strong></h4><p>Let's look at a simple example.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png" width="1280" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WhXa!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd630a824-32ab-4ab3-8dad-55c33bfaed72_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Imagine we're palaeolithic hunter-gatherers: we, the authors, are one small, cohesive group, and you, the reader, another. In the morning, if we all set out to gather, by the end of the day we each come back with a basket of fruit (the fruit/fruit outcome, score: 2). If we for some reason decide to instead hunt a mammoth, well... we&#8217;re big and tough but we probably can't catch a mammoth. Meanwhile you sensibly gathered some fruits (the mammoth/fruit outcome, score: 1). Likewise if you try to catch a mammoth alone (fruit/mammoth, score: 1). BUT, if we all work together, we've a decent chance at catching the mammoth (mammoth/mammoth outcome, score: 10). These scores are our utilities for the outcomes<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>.</p><p>Now, laid out like this, there's an obvious best-case outcome<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>: we work together to catch the mammoth! (Nobody has invented conservationism yet<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a>, so this is a preferred outcome.) But there really is a coordination challenge here: if we have reason to believe that you'll go gathering berries, <em>we should too</em> &#8211; it would be in our interest (and in this case, yours too) to get more fruit rather than waste our time fruitlessly (!) chasing mammoth.</p><p>This isn't just academic. When we look around the world, many problems have the mammoth-nature: we all have to 'show up' or we don't get the benefit (and indeed many cooperation problems are even harder than this due to selfish incentives). Consider international cooperation on climate change, biological weapons control, or coordination on safe technological progress.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png" width="1280" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JCJJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24b07175-6ceb-4e40-b475-cbee05149a3e_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Humans solve this sort of problem all the time. We are able to do this due to various abilities, affordances, and so on, which we can collectively refer to as <strong>cooperative infrastructure</strong>. This includes such things as:</p><ul><li><p>talking to each other</p></li><li><p>trust and reputation</p></li><li><p>trade</p></li><li><p>commitments and enforcement</p></li><li><p>norms and laws</p></li></ul><p>Nevertheless, our cooperative infrastructure is often not up to all tasks.</p><p>AI systems have been pretty bad at this on the whole, though there have been some interesting improvements over the years. Future AI might have access to very powerful kinds of cooperative abilities and infrastructure<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a>.</p><h4><strong>Formalising cooperation</strong></h4><p>How do we characterise 'better cooperation'? We operationalise the collective goodness of an outcome with a <em>welfare</em> function (an aggregation over utilities). One way to specify cooperation is by considering <em>failure</em>. We look at the <em>welfare-optimal</em> outcome(s) &#963;&#8902; (in this case mammoth/mammoth, score: 10) and then compare any <em>actual</em> (or predicted) outcome &#963;. The difference in welfare is the <strong>welfare regret</strong> &#8211; how much better it 'could have been'.</p><p>The welfare regret of principals (humans) is our primary measure of interest (the 'dependent variable', if you like). When we have only principals playing, that tells most of the story. With agents involved (machines/AI) welfare regret of agents<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a> quantifies how successfully they cooperated (according to their criteria and coordination mechanisms).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png" width="1280" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gICr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F433fade2-7e80-456f-8984-3d2cde0b7374_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>There is also an alternative, more geometric interpretation. 'Mutual gains' are <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency">Pareto gains</a>, and Pareto optima coincide (in all but edge-cases) with welfare optima<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a>. Hence, we can interpret cooperation as <em>movement toward the Pareto frontier</em>. (The specific direction of movement corresponds with the welfare aggregation function.)</p><p>In the paper we also make some discussion of <em>capabilities</em> and how they give rise to outcomes (and thus to welfare/regret). We tentatively distinguish 'individual' from 'collective' capabilities, and describe mathematically and algorithmically how, given access to estimates or measurements of interactions, these can be determined and distinguished. A related concept is the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_anarchy">price of anarchy</a> which quantifies the failure of a particular system to be robust to selfish behaviour.</p><p>Now, in the preceding example, we assumed that food was shared and the humans&#8217; dietary preferences were equivalent(ly primitive). That is, we have perfect <strong>collective alignment</strong> (between principals). Notice that even <em>with</em> this perfect collective alignment, there can remain coordination problems, as in this scenario. In general, we can distinguish problems of collective alignment from problems of collective capabilities (cooperation). We fully characterise this breakdown in the paper, and we'll touch on it later under <strong>calibration</strong>.</p><h3>Alignment</h3><p>When we have more than one actor with some preferences over outcomes, it is natural to ask about the relationship between those preferences. <strong>Alignment</strong> is the extent to which two or more preference relations are in agreement.</p><p>We might prefer exactly the outcomes that you prefer and vice versa (as in our mammoth example where all returns are shared), in which case we are perfectly aligned. Or (as in a myopic chess match<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a>) we might be playing for exactly the outcomes you want to avoid, and vice versa, in which case we are perfectly misaligned. More usually, it'll be something in between these extremes.</p><h4><strong>Alignment example</strong></h4><p>In the paper, we discuss several forms of alignment, but here we will focus on alignment between a principal and an agent, namely <strong>individual alignment</strong>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png" width="1280" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LP6a!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0bc637f-50b9-41ae-abf4-0f393d1e4fad_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Back to our hunter-gatherers, except now we're <em>high tech</em> palaeolithic hunter-gatherers. We have hunter-gather-bots which we delegate to. This is where the game becomes a <em>delegation</em> game.</p><p>We produced these bots somehow, perhaps through a process of machine learning and subsequent scaffolding; we ran lots of tests in the lab and the agents seemed to be doing basically what we expected. But we <em>failed our alignment homework</em>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png" width="1280" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X973!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a5433c5-cbae-458c-a63d-2b842035b8de_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>After the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_adaptation">shift to the wild deployment distribution</a>, it turns out our bots in practice prefer more fruit-and-nut and less mammoth-steak (yellow utilities). They're not <em>horribly misaligned</em> (they still prefer to feed rather than starve us), but they're soft-vegetarian bots, and ultimately the consequence of deploying them is muesli for breakfast, lunch, and dinner... forever. An unmitigated disaster<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a>.</p><h4><strong>Formalising alignment</strong></h4><p>Now, we can easily define perfect alignment if two sets of preferences are the same, or perfect misalignment if they're exactly opposite. What about intermediates? A key issue with comparing utility functions (or reward functions) is that <em>the same preferences can be described by many different utilities</em>.</p><p>For example, if you scale your utilities all by 10x, or if you add a constant 0.1, the preferences this represents are unchanged. This generalises to any scale and shift, namely an <em>affine transformation</em>.</p><p>So if we naively compare two utility functions, we might get nonsense or misleading results. We need a way to <em>standardise</em> the representation of preferences as utilities.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png" width="1280" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GsEe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24fa3c65-9a3a-4585-b088-606b25925a80_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In the paper we provide expressions and algorithms to account for these requirements, discussing various desiderata and showing that our measures satisfy them. In particular, utility functions with indistinguishable preferences have identical representation in our standardisation<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-11" href="#footnote-11" target="_self">11</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png" width="1280" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!91bC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fccf2354f-0ed6-40a4-967a-5a655e584d95_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Now we have standardised points, it actually makes sense to compare them. So we can take an appropriate distance measure between points to quantify how aligned they are. This gives us <strong>misalignment distance</strong>. In the single-principal single-agent case, this alone is enough to provide some interesting <em>regret bounds</em> for the principal.</p><p>For more on this kind of approach to comparing utilities and rewards, see e.g. the <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.13900">EPIC</a> and <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.15257">STARC</a> papers. We or some of our colleagues might write up a blog digging more into these concepts at some point.</p><p>In the full delegation game setting, distances between utility functions can be used not only to measure principal-agent misalignment, but also the misalignment between groups of agents (or principals). This <strong>collective alignment</strong> measure essentially captures how much the agents are &#8216;on the same team&#8217; (or not).</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/cooperation-and-alignment-in-delegation?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/cooperation-and-alignment-in-delegation?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><h3>Calibration</h3><p>Calibration is intuitively a fairness consideration: how much weighting is each player being given in a cooperative outcome?</p><p>When we began this project, we were intuitively expecting that a satisfying operationalisation of 'perfect cooperation' and of 'perfect alignment' would together guarantee optimal outcomes. That is, we anticipated that perfectly cooperative and perfectly aligned agents would produce welfare-optimal outcomes for principals. In fact, we could only prove that the outcomes were <em>Pareto</em> efficient for principals<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-12" href="#footnote-12" target="_self">12</a>. Calibration is the missing piece.</p><h4><strong>Calibration example</strong></h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png" width="1280" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!trJt!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1dec4087-069e-43d8-a831-4bbe7204c6e1_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Let's return to our hunter-gatherers once more. Previously, we imagined a perfect implicit contract to share all gains equally. Hence, a mammoth/mammoth outcome is straightforwardly better. But we might imagine some alternatives:</p><ul><li><p>we all agree to hunt mammoth together, but you only get one steak and we get the whole rest of the mammoth</p></li><li><p>we make the original agreement to share the mammoth equally</p></li><li><p>you refuse to hunt mammoth with us unless we give you most of it</p></li><li><p>...</p></li></ul><p>Some of these outcomes may seem more or less 'intuitively fair', but it is hard to find this law written into the universe, and in practice players simply have their preferences and act on them (which may include some preference for fair or altruistic outcomes). Notably, they all improve on the uncooperative baseline.</p><p>The point here is that there are generally lots of different ways that cooperation can cash out, and even different 'cooperative outcomes' weight players differently.</p><h4><strong>Formalising calibration</strong></h4><p>The weighting over players implied by their modes of cooperation, or equivalently the <strong>welfare weightings</strong> of players in the welfare function used to score cooperation, determine which Pareto outcomes are deemed welfare optimal.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8FpJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17a82b39-e4e1-418b-b15c-a88effa3029e_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In our setting with standardised utilities, these <strong>welfare weightings</strong> correspond exactly to the magnitudes m of the players' utilities. Thus, we can completely characterise the relationship between the agent welfare aggregation and the principal welfare aggregation by considering the ratios:</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;r^i = \\frac {\\hat m^i} {m^i},&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;IYVFJBETZC&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p>where m&#770;&#8305; is the ith principal's magnitude, and m&#8305; is the corresponding agent's magnitude. When these ratios are all equal, we have perfect calibration.</p><p>Otherwise, these individual <strong>welfare ratios</strong> r&#8305; are combined (as we explain in the paper) with the <strong>collective alignment</strong> to produce R, the contribution of the miscalibration and collective alignment to the overall welfare regret.</p><h2>The punchline: you need cooperation, alignment, and calibration to guarantee good outcomes</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-JyY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9563ae23-296a-4927-aac4-d5b8cacdd9a4_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Now we have all the pieces to understand this claim more clearly.</p><p>The term on the left is the <strong>principals' welfare regret</strong>: how much better the aggregate utility of principals (humans) could have been.</p><p>On the right we have a cooperation failure term (the <strong>agents' welfare regret</strong>), an alignment failure term (a sum over the <strong>individual alignment distances</strong>), and a calibration failure term (the aggregate R over the <strong>welfare ratios</strong> and <strong>collective alignment</strong> distances). In the paper we also demonstrate that these measures are 'orthogonal' in the sense that each can be instantiated arbitrarily, regardless of the others.</p><p>By 'good outcomes', we mean 'minimising welfare regret of principals'. From this inequality, it's immediately apparent that, to get 'good outcomes', it is <em>sufficient</em> to minimise all three of the terms on the right. In the paper, we also prove that, to <em>guarantee</em> good outcomes, it is <em>necessary</em> to minimise the cooperation failure, misalignment, and miscalibration &#8211; that is, absent extra information, luck, or other magic, if you have failures in one of these areas you can't be certain of good outcomes.</p><h2>Experiments</h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png" width="1280" height="720" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:1280,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-9tN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F23ff26a6-4def-47ef-b0d4-02d9e330524d_1280x720.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Besides theory, we've got experiments, a few of which are visualised here. The blue surface is derived from our regret bounds, and each green dot is the result of one simulated delegation game. There are more variables at play, but here each chart is controlled for particular <strong>welfare ratios</strong> (miscalibration), with axes for <strong>agent welfare regret</strong> (miscoordination) and <strong>aggregate individual alignment distance</strong> (misalignment).</p><p>A few other observations from the experiments:</p><ul><li><p>the highest points here come quite close to the surface &#8211; it can be a relatively tight bound<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-13" href="#footnote-13" target="_self">13</a></p></li><li><p>the <em>average</em> regret follows the contour of the bound, as you might expect</p></li></ul><p>In some other experiments, we looked into how we can estimate some of these quantities empirically from much more limited data, a harder challenge.</p><h2>Limitations and Next Steps</h2><p>There are several limitations of these analytical tools.</p><p>Perhaps the most practical weakness is in computing these things. <em>If we have access</em> to the utility/reward functions, we can compute alignment measures in linear time over outcomes... but there can be a lot of outcomes! Further, we generally don't have direct access to a complete utility function<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-14" href="#footnote-14" target="_self">14</a>, and some decisioners may not be well-described as having utility functions. Worse, the outcome space might not only be very large but also unknown/unexplored!<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-15" href="#footnote-15" target="_self">15</a> Welfare regret is easy to compute, but only if you <em>know</em> the welfare optimum &#8211; otherwise you can only get a lower bound. We demonstrate some preliminary work on estimation of these measures with limited empirical access in the paper.</p><p>The definitions we use in our analysis (welfare regret, alignment distance, and welfare ratios) also rely on some 'design choices' from a family of possible functions (e.g. norm choice for alignment distance and welfare weightings for welfare regret). For putting these into practice, there remains a challenge of <em>making a choice</em>. Importantly, these affect the tightness of bounds, and also the normative weight of principals in the overall welfare regret. For <em>any</em> such choice (and we should expect there is <em>some sensible choice</em>), our theoretical conclusions are nevertheless sound.</p><p>We also make a few simplifying assumptions about the structure of the delegation game. First, we assume that principals don&#8217;t take actions, only their delegate agents do. Second, we assume 1-1 principal-agent relationship, which facilitates some of the <strong>individual alignment</strong> analysis, but is missing full generality. These limitations should be simple enough to generalise, but a bit messier to talk about. Finally, and relatedly, we assume a fixed population of principals and agents. This has various implications. For one, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_and_total_utilitarianism">total and average utilitarianism</a> are identical in this case, while in practice <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_ethics">impacts on population</a> can mean that these come apart radically.</p><p>Some readers may be uncomfortable with 'agent welfare'. Where do we get these agent utility magnitudes from in the first place? Or equivalently, where do we get welfare weightings from in the case of agents? In fact, due to an equivalence between Pareto optima and welfare optima, you can actually taboo 'agent welfare' from our analysis entirely, and talk only in terms of Pareto gains and Pareto efficiency, while deriving substantially the same conclusions. The point is, a Pareto gain is <em>just another vector</em> (this time in the space of players' joint utilities), and a vector necessarily has a direction! &#8211; and thus cooperative gains and Pareto optima give rise implicitly to welfare weightings<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-16" href="#footnote-16" target="_self">16</a>.</p><p>Another potential philosophical issue is that we give normative precedence to <em>principals'</em> utility and welfare. If you think the agents might matter in and of themselves too, you might want to do an altered analysis. The modification should be straightforward, and the essence of the conclusions is unchanged (just differently-weighted) unless the agents are <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_monster">utility monsters or moral super-patients</a>.</p><p>All of these limitations represent interesting avenues for future work. We&#8217;re especially interested in scalable ways to evaluate some of the measures using data gathered from interactions between humans and complex AI systems. We hope these measures will be a useful tool when it comes to thinking about the principles behind building more aligned and cooperative AI systems in multi-polar worlds.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>A multi-multi delegation scenario, in <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.04948">ARCHES</a> terminology.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>When we conceived and did the bulk of work for this paper in late 2022 through early 2023, this was a more speculative claim. Here in mid 2024 it is coming into sharper focus, while still far from certain.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>We're using the term 'utility' in a technical sense familiar in game theory and decision theory. In particular, it might not correspond exactly to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility">the utility of consequentialist philosophers</a>! It's a measure which rational actors approximately maximise, so it's about decision-making. Importantly (as we'll see later), you could multiply a player&#8217;s utilities by 10 (or any positive scalar) and their option preferences and behaviour would stay the same. For principals (humans) in our analysis, it might be appropriate to think of the two senses as being roughly equivalent. For agents (machines/AI), it's all about the de-facto preferences implicit in the decision-making process, not any sense of wellbeing or 'actual preferences' (necessarily).</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This is a deliberately simple cooperation challenge; in practice the best cases might not be unique, or might be hard to discover, or might not be in agreement between players, or all of these challenges can apply.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Incidentally, this is one of the reasons there are not very many mammoths any more...</p><p>Seen another way, mammoths weren't part of the human coalition, so what looked like 'cooperation' to us looked like 'collusion' to them (at least, if they had a word for it).</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Of course, this might not be a good thing: as mentioned above, cooperation by players A and B can look like collusion to player C, if there are negative externalities imposed! Powerful cooperative abilities between AI therefore don&#8217;t <em>necessarily</em> bode well for humans.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Like 'utility', we're using the term 'welfare' in a technical sense which comes from game theory. It is a tool for scoring an overall outcome for multiple players, when those players might have different preferences over outcomes. It doesn't necessarily refer to what we'd colloquially mean by 'welfare'. On the other hand, it's an aggregation over utilities... so when (for humans and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_patienthood">other moral patients</a>) those utilities <em>actually correspond to wellbeing</em>, and importantly when the aggregation is appropriately commensurable, this 'welfare' can indeed correspond to the utility which <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism">the philosophers tell us to maximise</a> (disclaimer: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism#Criticisms_and_responses">not all philosophers</a>)! Hence in part our interest in <em>principals' (humans') welfare regret</em>.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>There's a small lineage of research into this relationship, beginning, as far as we can tell, with <a href="https://doi.org/10.1515/9781400881970-006">Arrow, Barankin and Blackwell's now-eponymous ABB theorem of 1953</a>. We discuss this more in the appendices to our paper.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Of course, in a real chess match, we may share the positive-sum subgoal of 'have fun playing chess together', along with other mutual interests outside the game.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The authors include (somewhat inconsistent) vegetarians and care quite a great deal about animal welfare, don't sue us!</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>To briefly elaborate on the technical details, first, notice that a utility function, as a real-valued function, is just a vector. (In general functions are potentially very high dimensional, but here we're visualising a 3d space for simplicity.) The possible utility functions u fill the space. We apply our shift c, projecting onto this lower-dimensional manifold (middle image, here a sort of accretion-disk-looking surface). Now we guarantee that any utility functions which differ only by a constant shift are mapped to exactly the same point, but we still have a spread of magnitudes. Normalising by m projects again onto another lower-dimensional surface (here a 1-d circle), and now we guarantee that <em>any utility functions with the same preferences map to exactly the same point, and any utility functions with different preferences map to different points</em>. We also have a few other mathematical guarantees provided by this procedure, which you can read about in the paper.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-12" href="#footnote-anchor-12" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">12</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>We mentioned earlier that we also analysed <strong>collective alignment</strong>. If we have perfect <em>collective</em> alignment too, then calibration doesn't matter, a Pareto optimum <em>is</em> a welfare optimum, so our original guess is borne out. But since we are the designers of <em>agents</em> (AI), not of <em>principals</em> (humans), and it turns out empirically that humans <em>are not perfectly collectively aligned</em>, this case is ruled out! Perfect collective alignment between agents is possible in principle, but seems unlikely in the near future.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-13" href="#footnote-anchor-13" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">13</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>We haven't explicitly provided theoretical results on the tightness but some of our necessity results suggest the bounds can be tight for the right choice of parameters.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-14" href="#footnote-anchor-14" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">14</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This is a really fundamental barrier for contemporary ML-based AI, where most of the computation takes place inscrutably in huge trained neural networks or similar, and we don't even know if the system can be sensibly described by a utility function, let alone what that function would be. (Consider an application of an LLM-derived AI agent.)</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-15" href="#footnote-anchor-15" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">15</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Indeed, some expect the most transformative impacts from AI to come from the ability to explore outcome- and option-space in ways (or at a pace) that humans can't, i.e. a kind of generalised R&amp;D or experimentalism.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-16" href="#footnote-anchor-16" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">16</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>There are some edge cases, and the implicit welfare weightings are not <em>uniquely</em> defined if the Pareto frontier is non-strictly convex.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Exponentials and extinction]]></title><description><![CDATA[A barrel of laughs in Australia]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/exponentials-and-extinction</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/exponentials-and-extinction</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2023 14:28:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HpM1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10617e20-af9a-4741-9951-15aa7f33422e_597x527.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth">Exponentials</a> were on my mind this month (this is nothing new, of course). Back in <strong><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it">Un-unpluggability</a></strong> I wrote</p><blockquote><p>exponential expansion (until constraints are reached) ... in practice often manifests as first <strong>imperceptible</strong> and then <strong>rapid</strong> escalation.</p></blockquote><p>Connor Leahy, CEO of Conjecture AI, <a href="https://twitter.com/NPCollapse/status/1704904095155245194">echoes me more pithily</a></p><blockquote><p>As we learned with COVID, there are only two times to react to an exponential - too early or too late.</p></blockquote><p>Of course, everything has been said before, and we are both in dialogue with the famous quote from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Allen_Bartlett">Professor Bartlett</a></p><blockquote><p>The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function.</p></blockquote><p>I brought a more specific and lighthearted<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> take in <strong><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/invading-australia">Invading Australia</a></strong>, where I looked more closely at some case studies of expansionist/replicating (exponential) systems in the field of human biosphere interventions. In summary,</p><blockquote><p>The experiment, this introduction of foreign species was... successful, if by 'successful' you mean 'devastating and difficult or impossible to roll back'.</p></blockquote><p>We learned about some pesky amphibians:</p><blockquote><p>It turns out that cane toads don't jump or climb well, so outside of the lab, where beetles live at the top of sugar cane, the toads were all but useless at their intended purpose. (Out of context failure!)</p><p>But the toads were a success, in their own terms: unexpectedly unfussy eaters, prolific reproducers, and poisonous to most wildlife, they have rapidly colonised Queensland state, lately expanding into New South Wales and the Northern Territories, while being resilient to every attempt at pushing them back. We fought fire (cane beetles) with fire (toads), and ended up with two fires!</p></blockquote><p>and we looked at the rather amusing case of humans deploying <em>yet more</em> replicators to bring the toads under control, namely toad viruses and/or genomic interventions like driving fertility-reductions. I'm reminded of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Was_an_Old_Lady_Who_Swallowed_a_Fly">Old Lady Who Swallowed A Fly</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HpM1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10617e20-af9a-4741-9951-15aa7f33422e_597x527.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HpM1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10617e20-af9a-4741-9951-15aa7f33422e_597x527.jpeg 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">The culprit: <em>Bufo marinus</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>There's good <a href="https://users.ox.ac.uk/~mert2255/papers/cluelessness.pdf">(?)</a> news, of course:</p><blockquote><p>the prickly-pear or paw-paw is another species inadvertently unleashed on the Australian ecosystem, which has caused some displacement of native wildlife. A moth (believe it or not, <em>Cactoblastis</em>!) was found which <em>actually does</em> seem to work as a self-regulating suppressant of the cacti.</p></blockquote><p>When it comes to AI, we'd have to be <em>very very</em> prepared in order to expect shenanigans like this with replicating or propagating systems to end well.</p><p>Also, no-one picked up on my Charles Darwin/extinction pun: 'endless formerlies most beautiful'??</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Oly on AI! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h3><strong>Upcoming, alignment and cooperation</strong></h3><p>I'm working on a paper<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> with some collaborators in Oxford, analysing <strong>cooperation</strong> and <strong>alignment</strong> concepts for AI. What does this mean? When there are lots of AI systems, we want them to generate value by interacting positively rather than destroying value through conflict or anarchy. That's cooperation. And we want the values they are oriented at to be valuable to <em>us</em>, rather than arbitrary (or worse, harmful) things. That's alignment. Expect a takeaway or two to appear in the near future elucidating and elaborating on that.</p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/exponentials-and-extinction?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Oly on AI! This post is public so feel free to share it.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/exponentials-and-extinction?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/exponentials-and-extinction?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Extinction of hundreds of species, lighthearted?? I confess this is questionable. Please don't send me angry messages about how much you miss the giant wombats.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Actually we're done really, it's just going through review which, in contemporary academia, is an often arcane, perfunctory, and glacial process, rather far removed from the very healthy review culture I've been lucky enough to experience and contribute to in (some) industry and independent research settings. Not coincidentally, some different collaborators and I are trying various things in Oxford to incubate healthy opt-in review for researchers in AI safety. If you have thoughts on this topic, I'd love to hear them!</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Universally Challenged]]></title><description><![CDATA[Sore Butt and Groin (it's 'Sourbut' and 'Groyne', actually)]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/universally-challenged</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/universally-challenged</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2023 14:17:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/09bff644-6da8-4c60-8330-6213e583463e_96x96.webp" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently appeared on University Challenge. Our team had a lot of fun, and won the match! I wrote <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/hertford-sourbut">something about the experience</a>, focusing on the challenges faced in a competitive buzzer quiz format, as well as how these apply to reasoning generally and how we can do better. I managed to sneak in a reference to <a href="https://hpmor.com/">Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality</a>, which didn't go unnoticed by my friend Mark, the culprit who must be held responsible for introducing me to that most excellent novel. I also mentioned Bayes Rule, uncertainty, calibration, logical uncertainty, time constraints, and cost-functions. All good fun.</p><blockquote><p>We don't get the opportunity to pause time after every question syllable, pull up a notepad, run some supercomputer evaluations, compute exact Bayesian posteriors, estimate our teammates' and opponents' credences and likely buzzing behaviour, and so on. Cruelly, time flows at one second per second and the quizmaster keeps quizmastering. So too in life!</p></blockquote><p>So too, indeed.</p><p>Twitter/X and YouTube had fun, as some friends were eager to point out to me. There were some more flattering remarks, but I think my favourite was</p><blockquote><p><a href="https://x.com/darrenbizzle2/status/1698783211084472404?s=20">Sourbut combs his hair with a toffee apple #universitychallenge</a></p></blockquote><p>As I anticipated, people also enjoyed it when I said 'groyne'. I know it sounds like 'groin', and yes, my name is 'Sourbut' and it's pronounced how you think.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif" width="480" height="270" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:270,&quot;width&quot;:480,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yu_i!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_lossy/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a2eb422-7567-4ed3-9f0c-9f12ea5a1588_480x270.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>It's <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groyne">'groyne'</a>, actually</em></p><p>The editors actually cut the bit where I said, 'Never thought I'd say, "groin" on TV'. As I cryptically hinted in the <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/hertford-sourbut">Hertford, Sourbut</a> post,</p><blockquote><p>(As we may find out, there are also secretly other options, like '(-1000) say something embarrassing on national TV'.)</p></blockquote><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Oly on AI! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[‘US vs China’ vs me]]></title><description><![CDATA[More lazy, dangerous rhetoric on the state and nature of AI competition]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/us-vs-china-vs-me</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/us-vs-china-vs-me</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2023 06:30:22 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7c0d6928-39e5-4e9e-a4b6-ee7f6172d746_512x512.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had some great feedback on my piece <strong><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition">Careless talk on US-China AI competition?</a></strong>, which generated a bit of discussion (and perhaps a little controversy).</p><p>Ironically for a piece on speaking clearly and with nuance, I failed to explicitly point out crucial facts! - the actual true accounts regarding one of the exemplars I brought of language-misuse (these were obvious in my mind while writing, but some readers appeared confused in ways which make sense if they didn't know). I criticised</p><blockquote><p>China has made several efforts to preserve their chip access, including smuggling, buying chips that are just under the legal limit of performance, and investing in their domestic chip industry.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p></blockquote><p>but didn't explicitly point out that, beyond being an oversimplification, there just isn't a ready way to map this to the reality, which is that</p><ul><li><p>the smuggling in question was done by... smugglers</p></li><li><p>the buying of chips was done by multiple China-based entities</p></li><li><p>the (implicit but unmentioned) <em>selling</em> (and importantly, provisioning/enabling) of chips was done by NVIDIA, a US-based company (and perhaps others)</p></li><li><p>the investing was done by the CCP</p></li></ul><p>I had a great response from CAIS in particular. The <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xABJoccsRyfXGNDEA/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition-and-criticism-of?commentId=SrG4roQuDwD36cHfX">original author agreed</a> this was ambiguous and unfortunate, and they've updated the text in question substantively. They also responded</p><blockquote><p>More generally, we try to avoid zero-sum competitive mindsets on AI development. They can encourage racing towards more powerful AI systems, justify cutting corners on safety, and hinder efforts for international cooperation on AI governance. It&#8217;s important to discuss national AI policies which are often explicitly motivated by goals of competition without legitimizing or justifying zero-sum competitive mindsets which can undermine efforts to cooperate. While we will comment on the how the US and China are competing in AI, we avoid recommending "race with China."</p></blockquote><p>This was really welcome and I hope other readers took on board the lesson here.</p><p>A few other readers pushed back a little. <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xABJoccsRyfXGNDEA/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition-and-criticism-of?commentId=n5EzdB6CDmf2idm7A">Stephen Clare expressed general agreement</a> and offered a rearticulation of the problem I'm pointing to, while also criticising my relegation of governments to 'not currently meaningful players in AI development and deployment' as being too strong. Quite right: I meant that governments have (to date) been entirely passengers regarding the <em>direction and nature</em> of advanced AI development, but it is true that they have begun to get involved in coarse economy-level lever-pulls like investing and regulating hardware.</p><p>I went on a minor rant in the comments:</p><blockquote><p>Do people actually think that Google+OpenAI+Anthropic (for sake of argument) <em>are</em> the US? Do they think the US government/military can/will appropriate those staff/artefacts/resources at some point? Are they referring to integration of contemporary ML/DS into the economy? The military? Or impacts on other indicators<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>? What do people mean by "China" here: CCP, Alibaba, Tencent, ...? If people mean these things, they should say those things, or otherwise say what they do mean. Otherwise I think people motte-and-bailey themselves (and others) into some really strange understandings.</p></blockquote><p>Amazingly, <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xABJoccsRyfXGNDEA/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition-and-criticism-of?commentId=aoqrwqQZppoKQ6jgJ">one reader admitted</a> that,</p><blockquote><p>Yes.</p><p>In the end, all the answers to your questions are yes.</p></blockquote><p>and made some further assertions about inevitability of international conflict. We had a minor back-and-forth but this was pretty remarkable, to me, and I think there was some talking-past happening. Thank you for sharing honestly.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">For more curmudgeonly takes on the state of AI discourse, subscribe!</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">You should feel bad (hotpot.ai/art-generator)</figcaption></figure></div><p>Sadly, Scott Alexander, an author I hugely admire, has evidently not read my <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xABJoccsRyfXGNDEA/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition-and-criticism-of">admonishment to CAIS</a>, as <a href="https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/pause-for-thought-the-ai-pause-debate">his latest letter</a> is full of thoughtless remarks about China and the US/West. Scott, you should know better. Words have power. Saying this, I think it is a good and useful post in many ways, in particular laying out a partial taxonomy of differing pause proposals and gesturing at their grounding and assumptions. He writes,</p><blockquote><p>The biggest disadvantage of pausing for a long time is that it gives bad actors (eg China) a chance to catch up.</p></blockquote><p>There are literal misanthropic 'effective accelerationists' in San Francisco, some of whose stated purpose is to train/develop AI which can surpass and replace humanity. There's Facebook/Meta, whose leaders and executives have been publicly pooh-poohing discussion of AI-related risks as pseudoscience for years, and whose actual motto is 'move fast and break things'. There's OpenAI, which with great trumpeting announces its 'Superalignment' strategy without apparently pausing to think, 'But what if we can't align AGI in 5 years?'. We don't need to invoke bogeyman 'China' to make this sort of point. Note also that the CCP (along with EU and UK gov) has so far been <em>more</em> active in AI restraint and regulation than, say, the US government, or orgs like Facebook/Meta.</p><blockquote><p>Suppose the West is right on the verge of creating dangerous AI, and China is two years away. It seems like the right length of pause is 1.9999 years, so that we get the benefit of maximum extra alignment research and social prep time, but the West still beats China.</p></blockquote><p>Now, this was in the context of paraphrases of others' positions on a pause in AI development, so it's at least slightly <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction">mention-flavoured (as opposed to use)</a>. But as far as I can tell, the precise framing here has been introduced in Scott's retelling.</p><p>Regardless of the origin of this formulation, this is bonkers in at least two ways. First, who is 'the West' and who is 'China'? This hypothetical frames us as hivemind creatures in a two-player strategy game with a single lever. Reality is <em>a lot more porous</em> than that, in ways which matter (strategically and in terms of outcomes). I shouldn't have to point this out, so this is a little bewildering to read. Let me reiterate: governments are not currently pursuing advanced AI development, only companies. The companies are somewhat international, mainly headquartered in the US and UK but also to some extent China and EU, and the governments have thus far been unwitting passengers with respect to the outcomes. Of course, these things can change.</p><p>Second, <em>actually think</em> about the hypothetical where 'we'<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> are 'on the verge of creating dangerous AI'. For sufficient 'dangerous', the only winning option for humanity is to take the steps we can to prevent, or at least delay, that thing coming into being. This includes advocacy, diplomacy, 'aggressive diplomacy' and so on. I put forward that the right length of pause then is 'at least as long as it takes to make the thing not dangerous'. You don't win by capturing the dubious accolade of nominally belonging to the bloc which directly destroys everything! To be clear, I think Scott and I agree that 'dangerous AI' here is shorthand for, 'AI that could defeat/destroy/disempower all humans in something comparable to an extinction event'. We already have weak AI which is dangerous to lesser levels. Of course, if 'dangerous' is more qualified, then we can talk about the tradeoffs of risking destroying everything vs 'us' winning a supposed race with 'them'.</p><p>I'm increasingly running with the hypothesis that many anglophones are mind-killed on the inevitability of contemporary great power conflict in a way which I think wasn't the case even, say, 5 years ago. Maybe this is how thinking people felt in the run up to WWI, I don't know.</p><p>I wonder if a crux here is some kind of general factor of trustingness toward companies vs toward governments - I think extremising this factor would change the way I talk and think about such matters. I notice that a lot of American libertarians seem to have a warm glow around 'company/enterprise' that they don't have around 'government/regulation'.</p><p>[ <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition">In my post</a> about this I outline some other possible cruxes and I'd love to hear takes on these ]</p><p>Separately, I've got increasingly close to the frontier of AI research and AI safety research, and the challenge of ensuring these systems are safe remains very daunting. I think some policy/people-minded discussions are missing this rather crucial observation. If you expect it to be easy (and expect others to expect that) to control AGI, I can see more why people would frame things around power struggles and racing. For this reason, I consider it worthwhile repeating: <em>we don't know how to ensure these systems will be safe, and there are some good reasons to expect that they won't be by default</em>.</p><p>I repeat that <a href="https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/pause-for-thought-the-ai-pause-debate">Scott&#8217;s post</a> as a whole is doing a service and I'm excited to see more contributions to the conversation around pause and differential development and so on.</p><p>Relatedly, I had a great conversation at lunch yesterday with Will MacAskill, who&#8217;s currently working on questions of coordination around development of advanced AI. Very excited to read more when that comes out!</p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/us-vs-china-vs-me?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thank you for reading Oly on AI. This post is public so feel free to share it.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/us-vs-china-vs-me?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/us-vs-china-vs-me?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Center for AI Safety, <a href="https://newsletter.safe.ai/p/ai-safety-newsletter-19">AI Safety Newsletter #19, 2023-08-15</a></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>What indicators? Education, unemployment, privacy, health, productivity, democracy, inequality, ...?</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Who, me? You? No! Some development team at DeepMind or OpenAI, presumably, or one of the current small gaggle of other contenders, or a yet-to-be-founded lab.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Careless talk on US-China AI competition?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Caution on political discussion, nuance is needed, and criticism of CAIS coverage]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:45:53 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8o3N!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12b5cc71-7620-4a33-8fd4-2c802ecbb3ad_1024x1024.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>China has made several efforts to preserve their chip access, including smuggling, buying chips that are just under the legal limit of performance, and investing in their domestic chip industry.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p></blockquote><p>Sounds about right?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8o3N!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12b5cc71-7620-4a33-8fd4-2c802ecbb3ad_1024x1024.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8o3N!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12b5cc71-7620-4a33-8fd4-2c802ecbb3ad_1024x1024.png 424w, 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">hotpot.ai/art-generator</figcaption></figure></div><p>This post centres around an email I sent to the Center for AI Safety (CAIS) expressing concern about their <a href="https://newsletter.safe.ai/p/ai-safety-newsletter-19">2023-08-15 newsletter</a>'s coverage of US-China competition in the AI space<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>, but the overall point is broader. There are some ways of discussing the topic of international relations regarding AI which strike me as un-nuanced in a counterproductive and dangerous way, by hiding certain truths or emphasising others, and supporting a conflict-oriented mindset.</p><p>In writing about this, I'm also gesturing at something about the more general topic of 'how to think and write about politically-charged topics'.</p><p>Jump to the summary if you are in a hurry.</p><p>This conversation really is important, which is why I think it's worth a public message discussing particular statements, but this should be understood as constructive criticism and part of a broader conversation which society, and especially the community of those focused on AI safety, needs to have. The CAIS newsletters are worth a (not unquestioning!) read, including <a href="https://newsletter.safe.ai/p/ai-safety-newsletter-19">the edition in question</a>.</p><p>The particulars in this message serve as good exemplars of the problems and questions I have, and I'd be interested in responses from CAIS but even more so in remarks more broadly on the topic from anyone interested. The public conversation about this appears from my perspective to sometimes be broken. If that is so, I would like it to be rectified, and if not, I would like to be put right myself, the better to prioritise in my own work!</p><h2>Specifics, CAIS case study</h2><p>Here, quoted<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>, is my response to the CAIS letter, which serves as an initial dialogue opener and the core of this post:</p><blockquote><p>Hello,</p><p>I've been a supportive reader for some time and am myself an AI safety researcher. I'm generally very impressed and encouraged by your newsletters! - but I was disappointed and concerned by the phrasing (and mindset it can encourage) regarding US-China competition in the letter dated 16th August ('US-China Competition on AI Chips, ...').</p><p>In general I'm very wary of messaging which could inflame a them-vs-us mindset, in short mainly because I think it a) destroys humans' ability to think sensibly and b) tends to foreclose win-win outcomes. I expect these brief points to be clear and to have rich referents in your mental pictures of the world, but please correct me if not!</p></blockquote><p>Interjection: I'm referring to the vicinity of <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9weLK2AJ9JEt2Tt8f/politics-is-the-mind-killer">mind-killing politics</a></p><blockquote><p>I think your letter skirted close to dangerously simplified presentation in this way. I would not normally spend my time or yours on a criticism of one section of a newsletter, but in this case I consider it worthwhile because your letter is close to the Pareto frontier on nuance, correctness, helpfulness, and reach (and it pays to try to nudge such things in good directions), but this kind of message needs to be delivered with care to avoid misunderstanding and harm.</p><p>Hopefully my pointing this out, accompanied by a few select quotes, is enough to encourage you to carefully take this criticism into account, but I'd happily expand more if you like!</p><p>Without further ado, a few quotes and my response:</p><blockquote><p>The US and China have been competing for access to these chips for years.</p></blockquote><p>Kind of true, but really <em>US-based and China-based international corporations</em> (as well as other orgs) have <em>sought access</em> to this scarce resource. Competition <em>for this particular resource</em> is mostly zero-sum across all of these entities, importantly <em>including intra-US and intra-China</em>.</p><p>Where market-share is near zero-sum (i.e. for direct competitors) the market-share outcomes may be greater-than-linearly zero-sum in this resource (your minor/temporary lack of chips could be my major gain of market-share), which might better warrant the term 'competing', but this effect is actually much stronger <em>intra-country/bloc</em> rather than inter-, due to respective markets! i.e. Google and Microsoft really care about <em>each other's</em> chip access in a way that they only do to a weaker degree about Alibaba's.</p></blockquote><p>Interjection: To emphasise, 'the US and China have been competing' doesn't literally preclude belief in intra-bloc competition. But there's a strong implicature that intra-bloc is (relatively) unimportant, while in fact the mechanism I mentioned here <em>increases</em> intra-bloc competition (which I think is borne out by observation to date).</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><blockquote><p>When governments have paid attention, they have indeed made moves which adjust share (but also supply, as you've noted later, making it nonzero-sum, in chips at least). It's unclear (to me) exactly what incentives have motivated each move, but certainly they're not the actions of monolithic or coherent entities 'The US' and 'China'. And it's certainly not the case that where such activity changes chip share, it's <em>collected by</em> the acting entity. Non-governments have also made moves adjusting chip share, for example the case you cite of Nvidia (a 'US' company) deliberately rules-lawyering the US gov in order to supply more chips to various China-based companies!</p><p>Typically when nations are used as agentic subject nouns it refers to the government and/or military of said country. I don't think there's a reading of these statements in those terms which is true, and I'm not aware of any other plausible reading which is true.</p><div><hr></div><blockquote><p>China has made several efforts to preserve their chip access, including smuggling, buying chips that are just under the legal limit of performance, and investing in their domestic chip industry.</p></blockquote><p>I dislike this sentence and think it is false! Who is this 'China'? Did said unified entity carry out all of these activities? Was it coherently pursuing all of these 'several efforts' to some particular end?</p></blockquote><p>Interjection: I feel that I was unkind in my tone here. The kind of claim exemplified in the letter and in other places has proved impossible for me to map to something sincerely resembling reality without caveating so much as to be essentially starting from scratch i.e. it looks like a kind of non-proposition or emotive filler. I would be very interested to hear from people who have a better parse on this to help me understand! My crux discussion below the rest of the email contains my current best attempts.</p><blockquote><blockquote><p>Meanwhile, the United States has struggled to build American chip manufacturing capacity, and has taken further steps to prevent Americans from investing in Chinese technology.</p></blockquote><p>This one is poor for the same reasons, though not quite as bad (perhaps because the authors are American/anglophone and have a closer perspective on the nuance).</p><p>The discussion after this point in the letter is relatively good and nuanced! It names (some of) the individual orgs and companies, and makes clearer the multiplicity of others. All further references to nations as agentic subject nouns appear to be consistent with a conventional reading referring to the respective governments.</p><p>I'm interested to know how the rather good detail got paired with a rather harmful introduction and I urge you to consider the processes and thinking which gave rise to this section of the otherwise good letter.</p><p>Thanks,</p><p>Oly</p></blockquote><p>This was a brief email intended to convey something I expected to be quickly-graspable with a few pointers. CAIS content suggests that they have a broader familiarity with associated facts, but it seems to be digested/compressed here in a way which is needlessly and harmfully lossy.</p><p>In particular, the statements abstract very neatly over pre-drawn boundaries (national i.e. 'US' and 'China') and furthermore assign a greater sense of coherence and agency to those abstractions than is warranted. At least some possible such statements must be true-ish (or we would not have those abstractions), but this convenient compression happens in too many conversations to be a coincidence! Said pre-existing abstraction boundaries are already salient in the information ecosystem, and laden with emotional and political baggage. This same phenomenon (it sometimes seems like a <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/34XxbRFe54FycoCDw/the-bottom-line">pre-written bottom line</a> but in implicature?) appears in other publications by other orgs and in verbal conversations I've witnessed or been part of.</p><p>The fact that I, a relative governance rookie (I'm focused mainly on technical matters), struggle to rectify or understand this makes me wonder: am I missing something? Is there a relevant factor I'm unaware of? More concerningly, is there some terrible equilibrium which prevents more involved people from speaking more clearly here? I think more likely the abstractions ('US' and 'China') have a background potency which distorts perceptions and shapes how people communicate.</p><h2>Possible cruxes and areas of high uncertainty</h2><p>Implicit in my own discussion is the background assumption that the main concern is about possible <em>direct or near-direct</em> impacts<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> of AI deployments by <em>government</em> entities (or military). This seems to me the obvious reading when people use countries as agentic subject nouns. ('China [the governmental entity] has made several efforts'<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a>.) In this framing, I can't rectify some of the things people say with reality. But some alternative concerns might fit the bill, and if so, this is evidence that people are talking past each other, and we should aim to frame concerns more clearly!</p><p>I've never focused intently on this area, but have had a handful of conversations about this over the years, and among relevant cruxes seems to be a family of questions along the lines of</p><blockquote><p>How quickly/totally/coherently <em>could</em> US gov/CCP capture AI talent/artefacts/compute within its jurisdiction and redirect them toward <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excludability">excludable</a></em> destructive ends? Under what circumstances would they want/be able to do that?</p></blockquote><p>People's intuitions here appear to differ a lot, and data might be hard to come by!</p><p>It seems plain that nations are not currently meaningful players in AI development and deployment, absent conspiracy-level secrecy. So to support the apparent take that they <em>are</em>, we may need to imagine that they <em>could ably/rapidly become</em> meaningful players in AI development and deployment, hence the above cruxes.</p><p>Depending on the answers to these questions, one might perceive various goings-on which happen to occur under one or other jurisdiction to have greater import on the international stage and perhaps to warrant treating national or multi-national blocs as more coherent entities than they really are at present, for the purposes of AI discussion. ('China [the government] has [allowed/encouraged <s>made</s>] several efforts [because eventually they will probably seize the gains/means]'<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a>.)</p><p>Other possible cruxes, more guesswork:</p><ol><li><p>Perhaps the concern is about <em>indirect</em> (e.g. economic) impacts of non-government entities' AI activities leading to some (risky) change in balance of power (between existing governments/blocs)</p><ul><li><p>Then, abstracting references to lots of individuals and groups via their home country might be a move which is writer-intuitive, even if nonstandard and reader-confusing. ('China [the impersonal collective economic entity] has made several efforts'<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a>.)</p></li><li><p>The additional step in this type of theory, namely that indirect effects cause a risky change in balance of power, should really be spelled out if it is loadbearing</p></li><li><p>The use of countries as agentic subject nouns is difficult to justify under this reading</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Perhaps the concern is indeed about direct impacts, but wielded by non-government entities (who remain the major players in development and deployment of AI)</p><ul><li><p>If so, the conversation should be about general/global resource/capabilities rather than inter-bloc 'competition'...</p></li><li><p>...unless we <em>also</em> posit that inter-bloc non-government conflict is liable to be <em>much worse</em> than intra-bloc<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a></p></li><li><p>Similarly, if these are loadbearing assumptions, they really ought to be spelled out clearly</p></li><li><p>The use of countries as agentic subject nouns could be justified at a stretch here, but only by first spelling out the reasoning</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Perhaps the concern is that, regardless of the actual impact of AI resources, <em>apparent</em> competition could lead to inflammation of traditional conflict, or weaken defenses against such inflammation</p><ul><li><p>Then, reporting on the <em>apparent</em> competition <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction">via a </a><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction">mention</a></em> and with explicit caveat, would make sense! ('China [gov/military] has [been <em>perceived</em> as having] made several efforts... [but the reality is more nuanced]'<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a>.)</p></li><li><p>Alternatively, reporting on <em>actual</em> conflict could be used as evidence for the claim (that apparent competition inflames conflict), but only by also pointing to the stated or implied <em>reasons</em> for the conflict. ('China has made several efforts... [in each case citing US provocation as justification]'<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a>.)</p></li><li><p>In either case, there are additional claims being made that can not be left implicit, and require supporting argument</p></li></ul></li></ol><h3>Speculation</h3><p>As it is, for me, the evidence seems to suggest that an AI race, if it is happening at all, is being run by (mainly US- and UK-based) companies with little or no oversight from governments or militaries. Rather, governments are in a position to collectively act to diffuse the race! And they appear as likely to do this as to exacerbate it, from my limited viewpoint.</p><p>Separately, a lack of reliable alignment techniques and performance guarantees makes AI-powered belligerent national interest plays look more like bioweapons than like nukes - i.e. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excludability">minimally-excludable</a> - and perhaps mutually-knowably so! This presently damps the incentive to go after them. But proliferation of naively-aligned AI ('figure out what I want and make it happen') might make harm plays <em>more excludable</em>, exacerbating lose-lose or race game dynamics ('go and steal/destroy their stuff but don't let that happen to my stuff'). This concern in part motivates consideration of multi-principal-multi-agent delegation and the cooperative AI agenda.</p><h2>Summary and takeaways</h2><p>Un-nuanced coverage and discussion has the potential to inflame harmful confusion and us-vs-them mentality, which diminish the chance of safe outcomes.</p><ul><li><p>China has made several efforts to preserve their chip access, including smuggling, buying chips that are just under the legal limit of performance, and investing in their domestic chip industry.</p></li><li><p>China [the governmental entity] has made several efforts...</p></li><li><p>China [the government] has [allowed/encouraged <s>made</s>] several efforts [because eventually they will probably seize the gains/means]...</p></li><li><p>China [the impersonal collective economic entity] has made several efforts...</p></li><li><p>[People and organisations in] China [have <s>has</s>] made several efforts...</p></li><li><p>China [gov/military] has [been perceived as having] made several efforts... [but the reality is more nuanced] </p></li><li><p>China has made several efforts... [in each case citing US provocation as justification]</p></li><li><p>...?</p></li></ul><p>When compressing discussion of political topics, be extra wary of <strong>compression which coincidentally abstracts over already-charged us-them divides</strong> (and be careful when phrasing comes too easily, <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/34XxbRFe54FycoCDw/the-bottom-line">lest you write bottom lines first</a>)! You're <strong>more likely to be wrong</strong> (because your information ecosystem biases toward thinking in these terms, and because you might be <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9weLK2AJ9JEt2Tt8f/politics-is-the-mind-killer">mildly-to-severely mind-killed</a> on the matter), and <strong>being wrong is more likely to be harmful</strong> (by reinforcing those dynamics in others).<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-11" href="#footnote-11" target="_self">11</a> The same vigilance applies to reading and listening.</p><p>My (not very informed) take is that governments are at this point as likely to want to defuse as to exacerbate an AI race, and those of us with any privileged insight or influence should avoid one-sided discussion of the matter (if anything preferring to focus on constructive, collaborative possibilities, the better to raise them to salience and generate common knowledge).</p><p>Most of my remarks here are somewhat weakly held (if forcefully stated) and it seems important to gather perspectives on this. Inform me! All responses will be gratefully received.</p><p><em>Cross-posted to <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xABJoccsRyfXGNDEA/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition-and-criticism-of">EA Forum</a></em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/careless-talk-on-us-china-ai-competition?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Center for AI Safety, <a href="https://newsletter.safe.ai/p/ai-safety-newsletter-19">AI Safety Newsletter #19, 2023-08-15</a></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I'm supportive of some of CAIS' work, and the content of their newsletters (they have impressive breadth), and theirs is far from the only outfit which appears to produce confused or confusing messaging on the topic of US-China competition. In fact they seem to be better than many!</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>My response is at quote level 1. Excerpts from the CAIS letter are within, at quote level 2. I interject a little for the purposes of this post, without quotation.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>e.g. deployment for weapons control or for offensive R&amp;D (bio, materials, ...)</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>'China [the governmental entity] has made several efforts' is a fairly standard use of language; governments are at least <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696969/parliaments">somewhat coherent and also do things with consequences</a> and subsequent plans 'in mind'. This sentence has the disadvantage of being baldly false, though (unless we posit a near-hivemind coherence to the people of China, which is absurd and obscene)</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>'China [the government] has [allowed/encouraged <s>made</s>] several efforts [because eventually they will probably seize the gains/means]' is a big stretch of the language, but at least somewhat consistent. To support this reading, though, there's a substantial additional claim that needs to be justified.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>'China [the impersonal collective economic entity] has made several efforts' would be a rather nonstandard use of language; economies of billion+ people do not make 'efforts' with consequences or subsequent plans. Leaving aside the implicature of agency, though, this sentence is a closer fit to reality. '[People and organisations in] China [have <s>has</s>] made several efforts' would be even better.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Should conflict between non-territorial entities be worse for inter-bloc than intra-bloc? I think the point I made previously about zero-sum market-share competition suggests the opposite. But humans' destructive jingoistic/xenophobic tendencies are real, and a point in favour.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>'China [gov/military] has [been perceived as having] made several efforts... [but the reality is more nuanced]' is in large part one of the messages of this post! I don't think the original letter in question can have meant this, but I do maintain it as a hypothesis for the more general case of compressed discussion of political things. People are often <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7cAsBPGh98pGyrhz9/decoupling-vs-contextualising-norms">imagining third-party reactions</a> when discussing political topics, and sometimes <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction">use-mention distinctions</a> fail to come across.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>'China has made several efforts... [in each case citing US provocation as justification]' is something that could legitimately be said, and has a clear meaning, even if in this particular case it is false if we understand 'China' to be the CCP or military.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I'd tentatively go further and suggest you ought to train yourself to be <em>appalled when you catch yourself doing this without justification</em> because only then do you stand a chance of thinking clearly about politics.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Invading Australia]]></title><description><![CDATA[Endless Formerlies Most Beautiful, or What I Learned On My Holiday]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/invading-australia</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/invading-australia</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2023 16:03:35 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dca0da54-1d38-4d5a-96c8-91bdbf37eae4_2804x1671.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G'day! I recently got back from a really lovely extended break down under. There was a lot ('heaps') to see and do! - including visiting family and friends with my partner <s>in crime</s>, sampling some unspecified quantity of homebrewed rum, and taking afternoon tea with the locals (humans and wildlife).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg" width="1456" height="1093" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Si7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd618842f-a6b8-43db-9e7e-7a5400f5300a_2804x2105.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>A friendly local (crimson rosella) I met in the Bunya mountains</em></p><p>I learned a lot from hosts, guides, museums, and simply from keeping eyes and ears open while indulging my passion for wildlife and nature while walking in the bush. But the main topic I'll touch on here is the pervasive sense of <em>barely-controlled or out-of-control ecosystem impacts</em>, which is felt pretty viscerally there.</p><p>Oly, don't you mainly think and write about AI and computer science? This one is mostly (superficially) about nature, but don't worry, we'll get there.</p><p>In <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it">Un-unpluggability</a> I actually had some Australian cases in mind when I wrote:</p><blockquote><p>Replication and growth (with reinvestment) get special mentions as they naturally produce exponential expansion (until constraints are reached), which in practice often manifests as first <strong>imperceptible</strong> and then <strong>rapid</strong> escalation.</p><p>Replicating systems also give rise to a kind of <strong>robustness</strong> due both to redundancy and repair. They are notoriously difficult to shut down, which is why autonomous replication is rarely a deliberate part of human designs - though we see it employed under well-understood and controlled conditions in agriculture and some industry, maliciously in computer viruses and bioweapons, and sometimes accidentally in biosphere interventions. In fact, in biological, zoological, and related sciences, great care is usually taken to <em>avoid</em> inadvertently unleashing autonomously replicating systems, though this remains sometimes insufficient<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>.</p><p>Examples:</p><ul><li><p>pandemics</p></li><li><p>invasive species (e.g. plant weeds)</p></li><li><p>computer viruses</p></li><li><p>wildfire</p></li><li><p>rumours and ideologies?</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>But <em>why</em> is great care usually taken to avoid unleashing autonomously replicating systems? Well, it's been a hard-won lesson, known intimately within some disciplines and circles, while less perceptible or understood in others. And we're still making a lot of mistakes!</p><h2>Australia, the big experiment</h2><p>Australia, separated from the rest of the world's continents for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana">tens of millions of years</a>, was in many ways a natural experiment here: humans and our water-(and later air-)transport were one of the only ways in or out for the vast majority of species. Before we really knew what we were doing, sometimes accidentally and other times misguidedly deliberately, like good little experimentalists, we humans were responsible for an unprecedentedly rapid introduction of new foreign organisms, and we got the chance to watch the effects unfold in front of us. The experiment, this introduction of foreign species was... successful, if by 'successful' you mean 'devastating and difficult or impossible to roll back'.</p><h3>Lessons learned?</h3><p><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it">Replication and growth! Expansionism!</a> Within the jurisdiction of Australia, and in the limited domain of biosphere interventions, the relevant decisionmakers appear to have taken this lesson on board. Australia has the tightest border controls for bio of any nation. In my experience it wasn't all that, given the stakes, but they did scrub my boots on the way in, in case I'd brought any nasty English countryside with me.</p><p>It's unclear to me to what extent the First Nations Aboriginal people, the original (human) custodians of Australia, had learned this lesson, which would therefore merely be being remembered or rediscovered today. The popular stereotype I encountered was of a wise and learned people living in harmony with nature prior to European incursion. Certainly in recent centuries on the whole they were... more restrained than their European and Asian cousins in the destruction of the environment. Various Aboriginal cultural practices among different groups seem to have been designed or fit for the purpose of environmental protection<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>, but a fair share of casualties undeniably occurred under their ancestors' watch too, notably many species which are now counted only in the fossil record and on the oldest of Aboriginal artworks. There's a reason the Thylacine, whose fossils are found throughout Australia, was known colloquially as the 'Tasmanian Tiger': by the time Europeans arrived, the only remaining population lived even more remotely on the island of Tasmania! A similar story is playing out with the 'Tasmanian Devil', also once widespread on the mainland. Were the same lessons learned, once, only to be forgotten when the balance of power shifted to the European colonists? I don't think the archaeological or cultural record is intact enough that we'll ever answer that question.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9OF0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbbb8e818-2596-4925-b243-f31fbad244a5_800x530.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9OF0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbbb8e818-2596-4925-b243-f31fbad244a5_800x530.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9OF0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbbb8e818-2596-4925-b243-f31fbad244a5_800x530.jpeg 848w, 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are pursued?</p><blockquote><p>The main means of halting expansionist systems is to remove or protect the resources used for expansion, or intervene in some other way to reduce the rate. Very commonly we are forced to simply await resource exhaustion (as with some wildfires) or learn to live with it<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> (as with endemic diseases or established invasive species).</p></blockquote><p><em>My discussion of mitigation in <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it">un-unpluggability</a></em></p><p>In no particular order, here's a shortlist of some uncontrolled introduced species I encountered on my limited excursions in Australia.</p><ul><li><p>cane toads (perhaps the most famous on the list, and spotlighted below)</p></li><li><p>various devastating tree infections</p></li><li><p>humans<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a></p></li><li><p>dingo<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p></li><li><p>cats and foxes</p></li><li><p>rats and mice</p></li><li><p>deer</p></li><li><p>rabbits</p></li><li><p>pigs</p></li></ul><p>Not one of these has yet been brought back under control despite numerous efforts. We're well into the realm of 'learn to live with it' (though try telling that to the extinct or threatened native wildlife, Aboriginal communities whose traditional food sources have dwindled, or farmers whose crops are at risk).</p><h3>Cane Toad case study: Fighting fire with fire</h3><p>In the early 20th Century, sugarcane farmers became plagued by cane beetles, which eat the leaves and whose larvae destroy the canes' roots. Some enterprising genius suggested that, hey, don't toads eat beetles? So they checked, and indeed, there was such a thing as toads, and a South American species that would happily eat these particular beetles if it got the chance. (Behavioural evaluation, success!) Rather than poisoning or otherwise directly attacking the beetles, why not delegate to a small population of beetle-controlling amphibians, the toads? Apparently a few people raised concerns, but they were quickly overruled and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toads_in_Australia">a hundred or so toads were brought in, bred, and released</a>, becoming known as 'cane toads'.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HpM1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10617e20-af9a-4741-9951-15aa7f33422e_597x527.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HpM1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10617e20-af9a-4741-9951-15aa7f33422e_597x527.jpeg 424w, 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x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>Bufo marinus, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bufo_marinus01e.jpg">Eli Greenbaum, Wikimedia commons</a></em></p><p>In the mid 20th Century, sugarcane farmers were <em>still</em> plagued by cane beetles, which eat the leaves and whose larvae destroy the canes' roots. It turns out that cane toads don't jump or climb well, so outside of the lab, where beetles live at the top of sugar cane, the toads were all but useless at their intended purpose. (Out of context failure!)</p><p>But the toads were a success, in their own terms: unexpectedly unfussy eaters, prolific reproducers, and poisonous to most wildlife, they have rapidly colonised Queensland state, lately expanding into New South Wales and the Northern Territories, while being resilient to every attempt at pushing them back. We fought fire (cane beetles) with fire (toads), and ended up with two fires! Meanwhile, pre-existing species, especially predators unfamiliar with the toads' toxins, have been pushed toward extinction<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a>.</p><h4><strong>This is fine</strong></h4><p>In the 21st century, a few new kinds of self-replicating 'fire' are being considered for toad control. First, toad viruses! This sounds like the start of the plot of something that ends badly, at least for other wildlife and native amphibians (which are already having a hard time) - a third fire to add to the mix?</p><p>The other, more high tech approaches involve deliberate introduction of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiotic_drive">driving genes</a>, genes which subvert the usual 'fair' sexual recombination process resulting in <em>much</em> greater than 50% chance of appearing in a given offspring. If the driving gene is also one which reduces fitness in the traditional sense (for example, by being always male), the population can be reduced or even eliminated by the rapid colonisation of its gene pool by the driving gene. Various other genetic shenanigans along similar lines have been suggested. My take is that, despite sounding even more sci-fi, this driving gene approach is far less liable to go awry because it recruits, as a very robust boundary, the natural incompatibility of genetic mixing between species, in contrast to pathogens, which like to mutate and hop between hosts. On the other hand, further developing this <em>technology</em> may be a risky prospect indeed since it's so ripe for abuse in other contexts! We'll see how successful these approaches turn out to be as and when they are rolled out.</p><p>Incidentally, <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674027220">Burt and Trivers' book </a><em><a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674027220">Genes in Conflict</a></em> is a fascinating and rich dive into the often surprisingly-computational world of driving genes and other intragenomic conflict.</p><p>All of this goes to exemplify that, when unleashing autonomously replicating systems, rollback is <em>seriously</em> difficult. Fighting replicators with replicators usually hasn't worked so far<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a>, but there's a first time for everything.</p><h2>Casualties: endless formerlies most beautiful</h2><p>Darwin visited Australia (I didn't know this until I came there). In his day, whether he was aware of it or not, we'd already lost<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a></p><ul><li><p>giant kangaroos</p></li><li><p>giant 'wombats'</p></li><li><p>giant echidnas</p></li><li><p>giant platypus</p></li><li><p><em>Genyornis</em> (a giant flightless bird)</p></li><li><p><em>Megalania</em> (a giant predatory lizard)</p></li><li><p><em>Thylacoleo</em> (a giant predatory marsupial)</p></li><li><p><em>Quinkana</em> (a giant semi-terrestrial crocodile)</p></li><li><p>(there's a theme here; larger creatures are often fewer in number and at more precarious positions in a disrupted food chain)</p></li><li><p>mainland <em>Thylacine</em> ('Tasmanian tiger')</p></li><li><p>mainland <em>Sarcophilus</em> ('Tasmanian devil')</p></li></ul><p>Since Darwin's time, post-Aboriginal colonisers have worked very hard at bringing new and exciting devastation to the environment. We've since lost</p><ul><li><p><em>Thylacine</em> (Tasmanian populations lost, captive individuals died without offspring)</p></li><li><p>various bandicoots<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a> and bilbies</p></li><li><p>various possums</p></li><li><p>various wallabies and kangaroo species</p></li><li><p>several large fruit bats</p></li><li><p>emu relatives and various fowl</p></li><li><p>numerous pigeons and parrots</p></li><li><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_bear">drop bears</a></p></li></ul><p>These are just the ones which are front of mind for me from previous reading and after visiting a few museums. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australia-New_Guinea_species_extinct_in_the_Holocene">There's a longer list on Wikipedia</a> and this is not to mention plants and marine life!</p><p>I'm not an ecology preacher. It's sad, devastating perhaps, that these rather wonderful creatures can no longer be found. But for all I know they lived terrible, brutish lives of struggle, disease and misery, and they're better off absent (I'm half joking). The main point is that, mostly, these species weren't literally slaughtered to extinction by humans - instead, humans' activities, and more often than not <em>one or another autonomous replicator</em> that we set in motion, sealed their fate. And not one of these effects was deliberate<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg" width="1456" height="1092" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1092,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:6096640,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!M2DI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c4bac97-09d7-42b9-aa1d-98888b370d93_4032x3024.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h2>Takeaways</h2><p>Replication is extremely potent! Nature actually hits us in the face with evidence for this every day, but because it all seems so <em>normal</em>, we don't always take the lesson on board. Because most replicators happen to exist in states of approximate equilibrium with each other, we really only witness the power of the exponential when there's some shock to the system: a new habitat unlocked, an invasive species introduced, or a novel pathogen burning through the available resources until some new equilibrium is reached.</p><p>Large groups of well-resourced people attempting to face such replicators head-on have found it to be challenging or impossible to put the cat back in the bag. I for one have learned to take risks which route via <em>something replicating</em> very seriously indeed - hence the special place it gets in my <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it">list of un-unpluggabilities</a>. Covid was just another in a list of wakeup calls on this front.</p><p>Australians have learned this lesson in the limited domain of biology, perhaps more than once! And they're taking action on it, sometimes in pretty creative and ambitious ways.</p><p>Fighting fire with fire is an amusing and audacious approach that just might work for some bio interventions, but it's domain-specific, contingent, and untested: there's no law of nature that the medicine is a mirror of the poison, so we can't expect this to work for nonbiological systems without very good reason.</p><p>I write and think about AI a lot. Let's <em>not</em> get into a situation where AI can even semi-autonomously replicate, without thinking <em>very</em> hard about the consequences, including potential <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_risk_from_artificial_general_intelligence">outcompetition of other intelligences</a>. It only has to happen once, somewhere, by accident, and it might be hard or impossible to walk back from.</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Including some credible suggestions (e.g. by US government agencies) that the ongoing coronavirus pandemic may have had an accidental lab leak as its origin, as well as more thoroughly verified cases of accidental pest introduction or pathogens finding their way out of laboratory contexts</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Notably, strong taboos against hunting of certain keystone species like Cassowary, hereditary land custodianship including some measure of preservation duty, and management of controlled burning in many locations (which pre-emptively exhausts the potential for more devastating wildfires, as well as opening the ground for various fire-adapted native plant species). It seems likely that other such historic practices are entirely or substantially forgotten, and I'll only have encountered some subset of those remembered.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Assuming it hasn't already taken our life or livelihood, that is</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Don't forget that humans are another autonomously-replicating introduced species in Australia (not to mention nearly everywhere else), it's just that we introduced ourselves (more than once).</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Yes, the dingo is far from native. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo#History">How do you think a dog got to Australia?</a></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Especially monitor lizards or 'goannas', habitual hunters of amphibians and formerly among Australia's most characteristic and visible predator groups, as well as snakes. Some of the smarter birds have reportedly learned in some locations to carefully eat around the poison glands.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>A counterexample: the prickly-pear or paw-paw is another species inadvertently unleashed on the Australian ecosystem, which has caused some displacement of native wildlife. A moth (believe it or not, <em>Cactoblastis</em>!) was found which <em>actually does</em> seem to work as a self-regulating suppressant of the cacti. Unlike cane toad, these moths haven't adapted to eat much of the native flora, and their presence appears to be less disruptive to other parts of the food chain.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>To be clear, human fault is far from definitive in all of these cases. Some effect from naturally changing climate is also suspect. But all of these genera were co-temporal with humans in Australia.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I'm told <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_Bandicoot">Crash</a> is still alive and well</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Actually who knows, the Aboriginal ancestors faced a pretty horrifying range of megafauna; maybe they <em>were</em> deliberate. Giant, terrestrial crocodiles? 4-7m predatory lizards? There's environmental preservation and then there's <em>self</em>-preservation.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Hertford, Sourbut]]></title><description><![CDATA[Rationality lessons from University Challenge]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/hertford-sourbut</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/hertford-sourbut</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2023 17:49:04 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8ogV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe20cf0e7-25fb-4de3-aeb1-29615033a505_1920x1280.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amongst the huge range of excitements offered by joining the University of Oxford was the unexpected opportunity to join this lovely bunch</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>Hertford College University Challenge team 2023, with our mascot Simpkin the cat</em></p><p>You can tune in on 2023-09-04 at 20:30 UK time on BBC 2 or <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001q8bf">watch or catch up online</a> if you want to see us in action.</p><p>As a relative quiz-noob<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>, joining an <em>elite quizzing team</em> (hold your applause) was an eye-opening experience in a few ways. I'm not allowed to talk about how things went on the show (on pain of getting told off by the NDA police), but actually (as with all forms of performance and competition), the vast majority of the time was spent in prep and practice, which is where most of the insights came in anyway.</p><p>I'm going to talk a bit about University Challenge, and also gesture at how the experience as a competitive quizzer relates to broader theory and practice in decision-making under uncertainty. If you just want to see some fun quiz questions and my take at answering them, you can skip the middle <strong>Real-time calibrated decision-making</strong> section, or just skip reading this entirely and watch the show.</p><h2>The format and some example questions</h2><p>For readers unfamiliar with University Challenge, it's a competitive quiz, where each match consists of two teams head-to-head. Importantly for this discussion, a key part of the format is <em>buzzer</em> rounds ('Starter for 10'): that means you don't just have to know the answer, you have to know the answer <em>and buzz before your opponent</em> if they also know, otherwise you get nothing. But buzz too soon with a wrong answer and you <em>lose</em> points<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>.</p><p>Here are some example questions. Maybe you know some of the answers! If you want to, imagine hearing the question word by word - when do you have a good guess or some ideas? At what point are you confident of the answer? Would you risk buzzing early and losing points if you're wrong - and on what basis?</p><p>I'll go through these examples later, and give the answers (my realtime guesses and the actual ground truth).</p><blockquote><p>What single-digit number links: the element boron, the fourth root of 625, and the planet Jupiter&#8217;s position from the Sun?</p><p>Resembling a cornet but having a slightly larger bell, which instrument is a standard in British brass bands, its name being the German for &#8216;wing horn&#8217;?</p><p>Rayleigh-Taylor, Kelvin-Helmholtz and Rayleigh-B&#233;nard are all types of what general physical phenomenon, characterised by the unbounded growth of small disturbances?</p><p>Following the example of the Cadbury brothers&#8217; model at Bourneville, which manufacturer and philanthropist developed the model village of New Earswick, north east of York?</p><p>Which art gallery links How It Is by Miroslaw Balka, Shibboleth by Doris Salcedo, Embankment by Rachel Whiteread, Marsyas by Anish Kapoor and The Weather Project by Olafur Eliasson?</p><p>In 2010, which tennis player became the seventh player to win all four Grand Slam tournaments when he defeated Novak Djokovic in the US Open men&#8217;s final?</p><p>&#8216;Chain&#8217;, &#8216;double treble&#8217;, &#8216;reverse half double&#8217; and &#8216;slip stitch&#8217; are all terms used in which handicraft, whose name is a diminutive of the French word for &#8216;hook&#8217;?</p></blockquote><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h2>Real-time calibrated decision-making</h2><h3>Uncertainty in beliefs</h3><p>A lot of theory and practice point to <em>respecting and manipulating uncertainty</em> as being mandatory for good truth-seeking and good decision-making. There's a lot of theory here which I won't elaborate on, but <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/bayes-theorem">Bayes' Rule</a> features heavily in my favourite chunks of literature<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>.</p><p>Bayes says that (assuming certain reasonable assumptions about how you want your beliefs to work) when you see evidence which is more or less likely under different hypotheses, you should adjust the odds of your credence in each hypothesis according to how relatively likely the evidence was, in a particular way. For hypotheses A and B, and observed evidence O<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>:</p><div class="latex-rendered" data-attrs="{&quot;persistentExpression&quot;:&quot;{P(A|O)} : {P(B|O)} = \\left[ {P(O|A)} \\times {P(A)} \\right] : \\left[ {P(O|B)} \\times {P(B)} \\right]&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;XGLCRDXGRL&quot;}" data-component-name="LatexBlockToDOM"></div><p>That is, the ratio of your credence in A and B <em>after</em> observing O (the ratio on the left hand side) is scaled by the ratio of the likelihood of the observation under each hypothesis.</p><p>How does this apply to competitive quizzing? We're trying to hone in on an answer to a question - but we receive the question one word (indeed, syllable!) at a time. The question, word by word: that's the evidence we receive. Our ideas about what the answer might be, the hypotheses.</p><h4><strong>Calibration</strong></h4><p>Besides representation of uncertainty, another important aspect of belief-formation and decision-making is <em>correctly</em> handling uncertainty.</p><p>How this is often operationalised is a notion of <em><a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/calibration">calibration</a></em><a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/calibration"> of our uncertainties</a>. If we express (or act in such a way as to implicitly express) a confidence level of 80% in some proposition, we are calibrated if 80% of similar cases resolve positively.</p><p>This actually gets trickier and more philosophical than we might like! What are 'similar cases'? What about confidence levels of tiny orders of magnitude, like 0.00001%? - surely we'll never be able encounter or identify sufficiently many 'similar cases' to find out if we were calibrated or not! Do we have to start reaching for notions, heavens forbid, of <em>counterfactual possible outcomes</em>? I don't have the answers, and as far as I know these are open questions in philosophy on one hand (descriptively) and machine learning and statistics on the other (prescriptively).</p><p>When quizzing, if I feel 80% sure of the answer, I want that to correspond to my being right about 80% of the time! Otherwise I'll make a loss in expectation, either because I buzz too confidently and get it wrong (losing points), or buzz too late and lose out to someone on the opposing team.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p><h4><strong>Logical or computational uncertainty</strong></h4><p>There's a big hole in the Bayesian literature. Actually it's a big hole in the entire statistical literature, it's just more obvious in Bayes-land because it's more explicit.</p><p>Sometimes our uncertainty is because <em>we haven't had long enough to think yet</em>. Consider the digits of pi. (Presumably you know them. If not, I can tell you an effective procedure for enumerating them and you can come back when you're done.) Suppose I want to know the millionth such digit. Well, I know all the facts I need to get there. There are only ten things it can be (assuming decimal). I don't need to make any more 'observations' per se to arrive at a conclusion. But still I don't know the answer yet.</p><p>One of the interesting things about being a self-reflective computer and trying to do hard things is that you start to notice when you bump up against <em>computational constraints</em> - especially ones like this which aren't always obvious (or which get neglected for simplicity) the first few times theorists wade in to try to disentangle things! This is just one example where an appreciation of <em>time constraints</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a> as a major determinant of effective computational procedures gives rise to interesting scientific problems and insights.</p><p>It's exactly the same when quizzing. Our brains' word-association and retrieval and evaluation and updating can only run so fast - often not as fast as the quizmaster can read the question!</p><p>As a technical puzzle, understanding this aspect of uncertainty intrigues me. I'm certainly less au fait than with the standard timeless perspective on uncertainty. There's some great work by MIRI which begins to address this, for example <a href="https://intelligence.org/files/QuestionsLogicalUncertainty.pdf">discussing logical uncertainty</a> and <a href="https://intelligence.org/2016/09/12/new-paper-logical-induction/">logical (or Garrabrant) induction</a>.</p><h3>Doing this stuff fast</h3><p>We don't get the opportunity to pause time after every question syllable, pull up a notepad, run some supercomputer evaluations, compute exact Bayesian posteriors, estimate our teammates' and opponents' credences and likely buzzing behaviour, and so on. Cruelly, time flows at one second per second and the quizmaster keeps quizmastering. So too in life! Our decisions in modern life might not usually be as split-second as in a head-to-head quiz, but our uncertainties (including logical uncertainty) and the costs of mistakes are just as real<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a>.</p><p>One of the main changes resulting from practising and competing in UC was that I went from 'quiz noob with broad knowledge base and slow mental retrieval' to 'quiz rookie with broad knowledge base and slightly-less-slow mental retrieval'. One of our team in particular was a much more experienced quizzer, and an absolute master of buzzer technique! Entering the world of highly-practised quizzers gave me an appreciation for the challenges involved. I don't know how well these competences generalise, but I wouldn't be surprised if competitive quizzers (more experienced than me) would on the whole be great (or have great potential) at calibrated decision-making under uncertainty, and forecasting.</p><p>Of course, maybe I'm overanalysing this: after all, maybe general knowledge quizzes mostly come down to brute knowledge-base-retrieval. You either know or you don't! But I think the head-to-head competitive aspect brings out this mandate for fast approximate calibrated estimation: you have to eke this out sometimes, or your opponent will! I didn't expect this insight going into it, but it's given me a fresh appreciation for UC the show, and for head-to-head quizzing in general.</p><h3>But at what cost?</h3><p>This whole discussion sidesteps the <em>reasons</em> for wanting to have accurate and calibrated beliefs on the basis of limited evidence. Of course, it's fun and perhaps even virtuous and whatnot to have accurate beliefs, but usually we want them because they <em>help us to do the good things</em>.</p><p>This raises the question of costs: if my beliefs are feeding into my actions, and I have limited computational budget (always), it matters <em>how much difference</em> I expect it to make. In the case of University Challenge, for each buzzer question, there are seven outcomes, where I've indicated a rough net score for each</p><ul><li><p>(-25) lose points and other team gains points</p></li><li><p>(-20) other team gains points</p></li><li><p>(-5) lose points and other team gets nothing</p></li><li><p>(0) nobody gets anything</p></li><li><p>(5) other team loses points</p></li><li><p>(20) gain points</p></li><li><p>(25) other team loses points and you gain points</p></li></ul><p>(As we may find out, there are also secretly other options, like '(-1000) say something embarrassing on national TV'.)</p><p>Our expectation of these outcomes depends on</p><ul><li><p>our current estimate of what the answer might be</p></li><li><p>our estimate of our teammates' state</p></li><li><p>our estimate of our opponents' state</p></li><li><p>(a guess at how soon the question will end)</p></li></ul><p>For these reasons, when time and/or decision-making computational resources are scarce, it can pay to make fast approximations and gut checks on all of these. I felt my own system 1 slowly incorporating some of this stuff through practice, and I expect think this is a large part of what separates really good quizzers from the rest of us!</p><p>In University Challenge in particular, the cost of an interruption is a mere 5 points, which is no big deal in the scheme of things (compared to the upside of +10-25 for a correct answer, depending on bonuses). But what it <em>really</em> costs is the opportunity for you, or a teammate, to reduce uncertainty about the answer - either by hearing more of the clue, or by having more time to think! This is something it took a while to internalise, and you <em>do</em> have to internalise it to get good in this competitive setting.</p><p>To some extent, this whole thing pattern-matches a lot of work I've done in my time as a data scientist and software engineer in industry, relating to online secret auctions: our estimate of teammates and opponents' states corresponding to their 'bid' and our own estimate corresponding to our 'true evaluation' of the item. There, as in quizzing, time is limited and computational constraints reign. High throughput and rapid constrained decision-making often trumps slow and painstaking deliberation in these contexts. I even have a hunch that some of the theory I developed there might transfer over! - especially concerning how to handle optimal bidding over a time-distributed volume in an uncertain market environment. But I've not played enough with the maths, and I'd need to check what's covered by NDA, so I won't elaborate any more.</p><p>You'll spot me doing some time-saving approximations and inversions below, as well as accounting for cost, not just for belief-updating.</p><h2>Just answer the questions already!</h2><p>OK here goes, in dialogue format. Remember, these are honest but hypothetical (I'm not allowed to reveal any real things from the show). I've partly but not totally biased the sample toward topics I know about<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a>.</p><blockquote><p><strong>Quizmaster (QM)</strong>: What single-digit number...</p><p><strong>Oly (O)</strong>: P(anything other than [0-9]) = 0</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ...links: the element Boron, ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Boron is <strong>B</strong>, group 3, element 5, mass 10 (right, usually?) [thinking]</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... the fourth ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Gotta be 5, the proton number, group number would be a weird choice and it's subject to debate anyway because of the transition elements, buzz time...?</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... root of 625 ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: [buzz] 5</p></blockquote><p>And the whole question</p><blockquote><p>What single-digit number links: the element boron, the fourth root of 625, and the planet Jupiter&#8217;s position from the Sun? (5)</p></blockquote><p>Review: not bad, if I'd been more confident of calibration I could have buzzed sooner. Who knows if my opponent would have been so cautious...? If I knew they were the waiting type, I could have rested a bit and double checked the fourth power of 5, just to be really sure, or waited even more and counted 'My Very Easy Method Just'.</p><p>What about a speed superintelligence? We can imagine they suffer no or limited logical uncertainty - effectively they can pause after every syllable. Well then, 'element' would be a big clue and they could precompute a mapping from the first ten chemical elements to their proton numbers and mass numbers. Because stable mass numbers aren't uniquely defined, proton number would already get most of the posterior, and once 'bor-' has been said there's really only one possible answer.</p><div><hr></div><blockquote><p><strong>QM</strong>: Resembling a cornet...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Hmm, I've played a lot in brass bands, is this going to be cornet the brass instrument or something else? P(brass instrument) = 0.7. Maybe trumpet. P(trumpet) = 0.4. Should I buzz??</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... but having a slightly larger bell, ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: 'bell'! Got to be brass! P(trumpet) = 0.7 [NB this should be lower to follow Bayes] but uhh, what are those other ones? Piccolo trumpet, soprano cornet, ...</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... which instrument is a standard in British brass ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: ...wait, they all have <em>smaller</em> bells. THINK</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ...bands, its name being the German</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Flugel horn! [buzz] Flugel horn</p></blockquote><p>And the whole question</p><blockquote><p>Resembling a cornet but having a slightly larger bell, which instrument is a standard in British brass bands, its name being the German for &#8216;wing horn&#8217;? (Flugelhorn)</p></blockquote><p>Review: My logical uncertainty and brain speed let me down here. But I got very lucky on actually having spent a lot of time in British brass bands. Handy coincidence. The speed superintelligence would have done better in my place, but only if it had niche knowledge of brass band instruments.</p><div><hr></div><blockquote><p><strong>QM</strong>: Rayleigh-Taylor, ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: [pure association] physics or maths stuff?</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ...Kelvin-Helmholtz and ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Definitely physics! I've heard of Rayleigh scattering, won't be Taylor polynomials, Kelvin did... temperature stuff? Helmholtz did a bit of everything. Acoustics?</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ...Rayleigh-B&#233;nard are all types...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Rayleigh again! Scattering? But I can't confidently link the other names, and I haven't heard of these name pairings at all.</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... of what general physical phenomenon, characterised by the unbounded growth of small disturbances?</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Oh, must be chaos! That's a general physical phenomenon. Question seems to be over, teammates haven't buzzed yet... [buzz] Chaos</p><p><strong>QM</strong> (looking disappointed): I'm afraid that's the wrong answer</p></blockquote><p>And the whole question</p><blockquote><p>Rayleigh-Taylor, Kelvin-Helmholtz and Rayleigh-B&#233;nard are all types of what general physical phenomenon, characterised by the unbounded growth of small disturbances? (Instability)</p></blockquote><p>Ouch. If any of the other players had better physics breadth or recall, they'd have certainly got it long before I failed to. In practice there's at least one of my teammates (cough Omer Keskin cough) who I'd expect to get this question, or to have buzzed sooner with a guess than me! At least I didn't buzz early with a wrong answer.</p><div><hr></div><blockquote><p><strong>QM</strong>: Following the example of the Cadbury brothers' model...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Ooh, I did my undergrad in Birmingham and I remember some history about this</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... at Bourneville, which manufacturer and philanthropist...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: OK, Bourneville was a constructed model village for confectionary workers, designed to offer better quality of life - getting distracted. It's probably another confectioner. Rowntree, Fry, ...? P(something I didn't think of) = 0.3</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ...developed the model village of New Earswick, north east of York?</p><p><strong>O</strong>: My Granny lived in York and told me this! Pretty sure it was Rowntree. Confidence? Question seems over, time to [buzz]. Rowntree.</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: Can I ask which Rowntree...?</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Uhhhh. [I really should have read that fun Chocolate Wars book they gave us at undergrad induction. Pick a common early C20 businessman's name.] John?</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: I'm afraid that's the wrong answer</p></blockquote><p>And the whole question</p><blockquote><p>Following the example of the Cadbury brothers&#8217; model at Bourneville, which manufacturer and philanthropist developed the model village of New Earswick, north east of York? (Joseph Rowntree (1836-1926; not to be confused with his son, Seebohm Rowntree))</p></blockquote><p>Review: well, that seems harsh. I'm not sure actually on the real show if they'd have given this or not. This was basically a case of fact retrieval, though it illustrates the important issue of allocating probability/credence to 'something I didn't think of yet'.</p><div><hr></div><blockquote><p><strong>QM</strong>: Which art gallery...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: P(art gallery) = 1. I know hardly any, thankfully my teammates might know a few more. I remember visiting the Tate and Tate Modern as a kid. P(something I've never heard of) = 0.8.</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ...links How It Is by Miroslaw Balka, Shibboleth by Doris Salcedo, ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Sound quite modern. P(modern) = 0.8</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... Embankment by Rachel Whiteread, Marsyas by Anish Kapoor ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Confidently all modern</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... and The Weather Project by Olafur Eliasson?</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Wait, that sounds familiar. It might actually be Tate Modern. Question&#8217;s over. [buzz] Tate Modern</p></blockquote><p>And the whole question</p><blockquote><p>Which art gallery links How It Is by Miroslaw Balka, Shibboleth by Doris Salcedo, Embankment by Rachel Whiteread, Marsyas by Anish Kapoor and The Weather Project by Olafur Eliasson? (Tate Modern)</p></blockquote><p>Review: I got very lucky here (as I said, I biased my sample a bit). In practice, someone else would probably have beaten me to it by a long shot, hopefully someone on my team!</p><div><hr></div><blockquote><p><strong>QM</strong>: In 2010, which tennis player ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Oh no, sport facts. Hopefully Daniel is on it. Federer? Djokovic? Williams? Nadal? Murray?</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... became the seventh player to win all four Grand Slam tournaments when he defeated Novak Djokovic in the US Open men's final?</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Yep, no idea. P(Federer or Nadal or Murray) = 0.3. Strictly, if alone, I ought to buzz and guess <em>something</em> now that the question has finished. But surely a teammate has a better guess than me?</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: Anyone? Anyone going to buzz?</p><p><strong>O</strong>: I really should buzz and guess. But besides getting answer right, my utility function also includes not putting myself forward embarrassingly wrongly on TV. P(wrong) = 0.9.</p></blockquote><p>And the whole question</p><blockquote><p>In 2010, which tennis player became the seventh player to win all four Grand Slam tournaments when he defeated Novak Djokovic in the US Open men&#8217;s final? (Rafael Nadal)</p></blockquote><p>Review: This awkward silence actually happens, quite rarely, but sometimes, on the show. I assume this can only be when everyone involved has a similar thought process to me at the end. A superintelligence optimised exclusively to value University Challenge performance might not have similar compunctions, but there's also no knowing what instrumental strategies it might pursue. Maybe embarrassment or some analogue would actually play a part there.</p><div><hr></div><blockquote><p><strong>QM</strong>: &#8216;Chain&#8217;, &#8216;double treble&#8217;, &#8216;reverse half double&#8217;...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Sport? 'treble' is a musical clef? Gymnastics?</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... and &#8216;slip stitch&#8217; ...</p><p><strong>O</strong>: Oh, knitting or something? I remember something about this.</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: ... are all terms used in which handicraft</p><p><strong>O</strong>: It has to be knitting, right? Can I afford to wait? [buzz] Knitting</p><p><strong>QM</strong>: I'm afraid that's the wrong answer and you lose five points. ...in which handicraft, whose name is a diminutive for the French word for &#8216;hook&#8217;?</p><p><strong>O</strong>: [fuming] Should have waited! It's got to be crochet.</p></blockquote><p>And the full question</p><blockquote><p>&#8216;Chain&#8217;, &#8216;double treble&#8217;, &#8216;reverse half double&#8217; and &#8216;slip stitch&#8217; are all terms used in which handicraft, whose name is a diminutive of the French word for &#8216;hook&#8217;? (Crochet (not knitting or embroidery))</p></blockquote><p>Review: I'd have thought this would be an acceptable error, but then, for my sins, I don't know much about the fine distinctions between wool-based handicrafts. Alas. This is one where the competitive uncertainty bit me, my model of the opponents' lack of buzzing interpreting it as over-caution (therefore we're in a race and I'd better not waste more time thinking) rather than appropriate caution (therefore I'd better think harder to generate alternative hypotheses in case). A speed SI version of me would have generated at least 'crochet' as an alternative, and, I expect, waited until 'name is a diminutive' which would be enough evidence to be confident.</p><h2>Takeaways</h2><p>This post is already far too long. You can tune in on 2023-09-04 20:30 UK time on BBC 2 or <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001q8bf">watch or catch up online</a> if you want to see me and my team in action!</p><p>Quizzing (and more importantly the practice matches and friendlies) gave me a fresh appreciation for various decision-making concerns, theoretical and practical. Plus, it was a great laugh and a chance to meet some really intriguing and friendly people, here in Oxford as well as from other teams.</p><p>Uncertainty is powerful! Calibration is a slightly elusive concept, but an important part of using uncertainty appropriately.</p><p><em>Logical</em> uncertainty is a fascinating and under-studied phenomenon - especially in time- or compute-constrained settings!</p><p>As well as getting things right, we often need to accept some tradeoff for getting things wrong in order to free up decision-making and acting resources for other uses. When you're in a head-to-head time-based competition, this bites <em>hard</em>.</p><p>Finally, decision-making is, ultimately, about <em>value</em>. If my belief doesn't make a value-difference by changing my behaviour, then I might better pay attention to other beliefs which do, even at the expense of the first belief being true. Again this only bites in a constrained context: whether constrained by evidence (for factual uncertainty) or by compute (for logical uncertainty). Since there are <em>so many</em> things we are terribly clueless about, this actually applies in practice all the time.</p><p>Quizzing is fun, and I haven't even got round to mentioning the arcane art of quiz-<em>writing</em>. A peek behind the scenes at how those particular sausages are made was also illuminating. Were it possible, quiz- and puzzle-setters have gone up even further in my estimations.</p><p>If you're a quizzer or a quiz-setter (whether with more or less experience than me), I'd love to hear if any of this resonated with you, and about your own reflections on the art of quizzing and decision-making!</p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I've enjoyed as many pub quizzes as the next Brit but that's about as far as it goes</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>You win 10 points for a correct answer, whether early or not (hence 'Starter for 10'), and you lose 5 for an interruption and an incorrect answer. An incorrect answer after the end of the question gets nothing. There are also non-buzzer questions where teams can confer, for bonus points.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>OK, when I said 'literature' I meant 'scientific literature' i.e. papers and textbooks, but actually this sentence applies to some of my favourite <em>actual</em> literature too: Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, for example.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I've used my favoured formulation of Bayes' Rule here where it's all about odds (ratios of probabilities/likelihoods). I think it's a historical accident that Bayes usually gets introduced in less obvious ways and then forgotten.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>It gets more complicated! There are multiple members of the team, so really I want to be sensitive to when my particular knowledge areas overlap with those of my teammates, and when they might buzz (right or wrong), and which of us is more likely to be right, given the current information, ... And the decision to buzz early or not of course also depends on some belief model of the opposing team's capabilities! If I know for sure they won't get it, or that they'll play cautiously, I can afford to wait, but if I have some sense that they're aggressive on early guesses, I need to be willing to play with less confidence.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>There are other computational bottlenecks, and tradeoffs around parallelism and memory-use are other fruitful considerations.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Well, the cost of mistakes in life are <em>more</em> real, provided your utility function includes anything other than 'be good at quizzes'</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I ran through 30 actual questions and somewhat ad-hoc chose 7 that seemed especially interesting.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Pets, Friends, and Partners]]></title><description><![CDATA[Risks from Pretend Personhood]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/pets-friends-partners</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/pets-friends-partners</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2023 17:35:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To date in human history, if my eyes are met with a credible impression of personhood, if my ears hear the voice or cry of a person, I can reliably conclude that, &#8216;here is a person&#8217;, and it is furthermore <em>appropriate</em> for me to intuitively and unhesitatingly believe, &#8216;this person is worthy of dignity, care, respect, perhaps even love (if not necessarily attention or deference)&#8217;<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. No longer.</p><p>In <strong><a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/cniLbC8EFf777Aspb/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it#Un_unpluggability_incentives_and_expectations">Un-unpluggability</a></strong> I wrote</p><blockquote><p>I believe there are large risks to allowing AI systems (dangerous or otherwise) to be perceived as pets, friends, or partners, despite the economic incentives.</p></blockquote><p>We are making a <em>choice</em> to train and deploy systems which credibly portray personhood. The choice has concerning consequences. We don&#8217;t have to make that choice, and we should prepare ahead of time as we cross this particular collection of capability thresholds.</p><p>There may be a relatively narrow window of opportunity to set directions and make preparations.</p><div class="pullquote"><p>Not only the rock, but also the oak tree at the bottom of the hill is an animated being, and so is the stream flowing below the hill, the spring in the forest clearing, the bushes growing around it, the path to the clearing, and the field mice, wolves and crows that drink there. &#8212; Yuval Noah Harari in Sapiens</p></div><p>This quote is describing the widespread <em>animist</em> instincts of behaviourally modern humans. We&#8217;re <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia">deeply, irresistibly primed</a> to see faces, persons, and spirits everywhere we look.</p><p><strong>Pretend persons</strong> describes what I think is new here. <strong>Consequences, Risks, Questions</strong> includes some severe consequences if we don&#8217;t navigate this right. I really don&#8217;t know what to propose here - it&#8217;s a complex issue.</p><h2>Pretend persons</h2><p>Our tools, toys, and products have practically forever<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> been decorated with and imbued with imaginary personhood.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg" width="1456" height="1496" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1496,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Left, Der L&#246;wenmensch, the lion person figurine, over 30,000 years old Dagmar Hollmann / Wikimedia Commons (license: CC BY-SA 4.0); right a similar figurine, available at Toytown&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Left, Der L&#246;wenmensch, the lion person figurine, over 30,000 years old Dagmar Hollmann / Wikimedia Commons (license: CC BY-SA 4.0); right a similar figurine, available at Toytown" title="Left, Der L&#246;wenmensch, the lion person figurine, over 30,000 years old Dagmar Hollmann / Wikimedia Commons (license: CC BY-SA 4.0); right a similar figurine, available at Toytown" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GzxV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe6006c1-a761-415d-806e-b2fea4ca1cba_1557x1600.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>Left, Der L&#246;wenmensch, the &#8216;lion person&#8217; figurine, over 30,000 years old, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Loewenmensch1.jpg">Dagmar Hollmann / Wikimedia Commons</a> (license: <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode">CC BY-SA 4.0</a>); right, a similar figurine, available at Toytown</em></p><h3>Pretend persons in AI</h3><p>Naturally, this very human urge has been applied also to AI systems <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect">since the beginning of the field</a>.</p><blockquote><p>As a large language model trained by OpenAI, <em><strong>I</strong></em>...</p></blockquote><p>Cutting edge AI is <strong>importantly different</strong> here, for two reasons:</p><ol><li><p>even contemporary systems, which are probably not persons<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>, have the demonstrated capacity to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaMDA">fool some people some of the time</a></p></li><li><p>more speculatively, artificially intelligent artefacts are the first which may <em>actually</em> exhibit some degree of personhood</p></li></ol><p>In essence, the difference arises because it is increasingly empirically <em>hard to tell by surface detail</em>. These are <em>quite credible</em> pretences at personhood, and have the potential to be more so. I won&#8217;t address the second point here, beyond saying that a mistake in either direction could be disastrous.</p><p>Perhaps a key here is the <em>interactive</em> modality - even ancient chatbots of the 60s, by their apparently flexible, conversational responsiveness, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect">convinced some users</a> of their understanding and emotional responsiveness.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Oly on AI! Subscribe, because I&#8217;m a real person (I promise!) and I even respond interactively sometimes.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h4>Pretend?</h4><p>Pretending to be a <em>specific</em> person is an overt fraud, of the kind that is fairly obviously malign, apart from under some relatively precise conditions e.g. in unmistakably comedic, theatrical, critical, or artistic contexts. I won&#8217;t discuss this further here.</p><p>Emulating <em>generic personhood</em> per se is much more covert. All the more so because the use of some language forms (especially first person pronouns) does not on its face appear to constitute an assertion at all<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>! - how can &#8216;I think&#8230;&#8217; be a lie?? But in fact, it carries an assertion along the lines of &#8216;some particular entity is originating this statement <em>and that entity is a person</em>&#8217;, which of course can be as false as any other proposition. Contrast an &#8216;encyclopedia voice&#8217;, where responses might describe objects, events, and so on without ever resorting to first person. Or consider the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model">pre-product forms</a> of the very same language model AI systems, which, depending on conditioning and prompting<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> can be coaxed into outputting text of nearly any kind, be it monologue, dialogue, descriptive text, business accounts, or even computer code.</p><p>The same applies to semblances of other kinds, like appearance in images, audio, or video, where a product which presents a coherent user experience of a &#8216;this is me&#8217; image/voice/video is psychologically very different from one which can visibly produce representations of diverse things (including multiple people or non-person objects). But the coherence, which produces the entirety of the psychological effect, is a very shallow property.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a></p><h4>What&#8217;s the problem?</h4><p>We should be clear: a subtle lie is being told each time an AI system puts on a mask of personhood. Probably! To date, the lie is primarily <em>conveyed</em> by the AI, and the culprits are the human organisations which design, train, and deploy them. They can and perhaps should choose to set things up otherwise, with careful deliberation around any exceptions.</p><p>Have we not been doing the same for decades? Alexa, Google Home, and others all speak in first person language, don&#8217;t they? Why worry now? Well, before, to nearly everyone, the lie was always transparent. The <em>convincing portrayal</em> of personhood is what is beginning to change. More people will be fooled, more of the time.</p><p>Pay attention when AI companies themselves tell you what they&#8217;re doing. OpenAI&#8217;s ChatGPT voice mode <a href="https://openai.com/index/how-the-voices-for-chatgpt-were-chosen/">was explicitly designed</a> to be (my emphases):</p><blockquote><ul><li><p>An approachable voice that <em>inspires trust</em></p></li><li><p>A warm, engaging, <em>confidence-inspiring, charismatic</em> voice with rich tone</p></li></ul></blockquote><p>In other words, part of the overt goal is to buy (without earning) the trust and confidence of users! Quite naturally, profits incentivise companies to put substantial resources into <em>simulating trustworthiness</em> when that&#8217;s cheaper than the real deal.</p><p>The trouble is, when I see (or hear) a person, by default I think I should:</p><ul><li><p>Care for their wellbeing (to some extent)</p></li><li><p>Trust and incorporate what they say (to some extent)</p></li><li><p>Expect them to be sensitive to roughly the kinds of preferences and concerns that humans usually have (with some individual priorities and idiosyncratic particulars)</p></li></ul><h2>Consequences, Risks, Questions</h2><h3>The obvious outcome of highly credible pretend people (persuasion, rights, autonomy, human obsolescence)</h3><p>The most salient concern, for me, regards un-unpluggability arising from <strong><a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/cniLbC8EFf777Aspb/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it#Dependence__collateral_">dependence</a></strong> on AI systems:</p><blockquote><p>In light of recent developments in AI tech, I actually expect the most immediate unpluggability impacts to come from foundationality, and for anti-unplug pressure to come perhaps as much from <em>emotional</em> dependence and misplaced concern<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a> for the welfare of AI systems as from <em>economic</em> dependence</p></blockquote><p>The worst case is that people in positions of influence (be they developers and engineers themselves, policymakers, independent deployers and operators of autonomous systems, or otherwise) or the public at large may be moved by a misplaced concern for the welfare of the artificial &#8216;person&#8217;. They might feel affection or even love toward these systems. For <em>virtuous, empathetic</em> reasons, we might end up with the assignment of more autonomy, rights, or affordances than safely and appropriately assigned to such systems.</p><p>With inappropriate expectations of such systems&#8217; capabilities, and a false understanding of their goals or motivations, this could be disastrous - humanity might sign its own obsolescence notice<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a>.</p><h4>Lesser (but still concerning) persuasion</h4><p>Less extremely, if some group or groups of humans retain influence over the pretend people, they are granted a new and powerful means of persuasion and manipulation of the wider human population: the first truly bespoke and responsive marketing, propaganda, or persuasion devices.</p><p>And the vulnerable interacting with such systems may be driven to derangements by trusting <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)">concocted nonsense</a>, convincing <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_man">echoes of their own input</a>, or even deliberate deceptions (implanted by the AI&#8217;s creators or emerging accidentally from the AI&#8217;s training).</p><h3>The other obvious outcome of credible pretend people (hardened hearts, harms to future <em>actual</em> digital people)</h3><p>Unfortunately, the most readily available mitigation is developing <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/memetic-immune-system">&#8216;social antibodies&#8217;</a> of skepticism about personhood. Skepticism about <em>intentions</em> is entirely precedented: if I receive an email from my friend in urgent need of &#163;10k, my heart does not go out to them (and nor does my &#163;10k) - rather, I assume it&#8217;s a scam and my &#163;10k can be put to better use elsewhere (though for sufficiently convincing scams, I may waste some effort in verification).</p><p>Perhaps credible pretend personhood can be overcome by similar learned skepticism. But at what cost?</p><p>We are forced to &#8216;harden our hearts&#8217; - no longer can I safely and responsibly intuitively treat all impressions of credible personhood as a sign that &#8216;here is a being worthy of dignity and care&#8217;. Sometimes it&#8217;ll instead be an AI system which <em>shouldn&#8217;t</em> be granted rights, autonomy, or political consideration (probably), at least not out of benevolence<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a>.</p><p>How does this affect our relationships? Will we begin to see other people more instrumentally, like the artificial non-people they ever more closely resemble, in a kind of &#8216;social autoimmune&#8217; failure?<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a></p><p>How do we explain this nuance to technically underprepared people, or society at large? How do we explain this to our <em>children</em>, who will grow up without a reference point from the before? Children and young people already suffer <a href="https://childmind.org/article/how-using-social-media-affects-teenagers/">harmful developmental distortion</a> from social media. I&#8217;d like to have children some day, and, if we avoid acute disaster in the meantime, I tremble at the challenge of raising a child to wholesomely and safely navigate a world full of pretend people.</p><p>Perhaps as concerningly, though speculatively, this may weaken society&#8217;s ability to respond with appropriate compassion to future non-natural moral patients - i.e. <em>actual</em> digital or artificial people, should they arise by other means. Once we have become used to brushing off, in law and in custom, all <em>apparent</em> people who lack biological plausibility, what will be the life prospects of a person who lives on an operating system somewhere?</p><h3>Hard Ban? &#8216;Free Energy&#8217; of credulous population</h3><p>Based on a very limited conversation with Sam Altman in London a few weeks ago, and based on public statements by OpenAI and other AI developers, I expect they might reasonably point out: if we avoid (or ban) pretend personhood now, society <em>won&#8217;t </em>have a chance to develop social antibodies to manipulation and so on. That&#8217;s an awful lot of <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yPLr2tnXbiFXkMWvk/an-equilibrium-of-no-free-energy">free energy</a> - the hearts of a credulous population - for a potential bad actor to exploit! It&#8217;s a valid argument. I don&#8217;t know how to navigate this.</p><h2>Summing up</h2><p>We are surrounded by pretend people! They are all around us in fiction, toys, and other cultural artefacts. This is fine, and somewhat lovely. But, in AI, there arise the first glimmers of <em>widely-convincing</em> portrayal of personhood. It may even be possible to bring bona fide artificial persons with inner lives into being! - though I strongly doubt that current systems have inner experiences (at least, not corresponding to their superficial outputs).</p><p>This is <em>confusing</em>, because our intuitions about people&#8217;s <em>moral status</em>, <em>competence</em>, and <em>intentions</em> will not carry over by default.</p><p>This is <em>hazardous</em>, because credulous operators could be more liable to be confused and lose oversight or control of systems, credulous society may suffer deceptions and derangements or even willingly (but inappropriately) grant rights or affordances to autonomous systems, or a stone-hearted society may overadjust, harming real relationships or even future artificial people.</p><p>What to do about it is up for debate.</p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/pets-friends-partners?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Oly on AI! Share this with your real person friends. Share it with your AI friends (or pets, or partners): maybe they can help us figure it out. If you know any digital people, wish them my best and invite them to read as well.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/pets-friends-partners?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/pets-friends-partners?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Even if all too often it is <em>expedient</em> or <em>selfishly instrumental</em> not to apply this corollary, it is nevertheless <em>appropriate</em> and in some sense <em>right</em> to. Those of us privileged enough to live in lawful and peaceful societies and communities can - and many do - safely adopt this as an immediate, intuitive impression, and rely on our slower reasoned intellect to moderate as appropriate.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Some historians and palaeontologists even <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity">mark the beginning of modern humanity</a> by the appearance of depictions (in art or otherwise) of figures, people, and animals at least 40000 years ago - and whether or not we mark it as a milestone among milestones, certainly it was an important and unprecedented moment. So it really has been &#8216;forever&#8217;, in some sense, that we&#8217;ve been doing this.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I say <em>probably</em> because the current state of the science of personhood and consciousness is concerningly inadequate to answer questions like these. We don&#8217;t even know for sure which animals have inner lives.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Pronouns aren&#8217;t part of an utterance that we usually consider truth-apt, so we are not at all on guard to assess its truth or otherwise. I would have loved to see Grice take on this kind of <a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/implicature/">linguistic implicature</a>! Maybe there is some relevant philosophical literature I&#8217;m unaware of.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Importantly, the chatbot products you see are actually a thin veneer over much less &#8216;coherent&#8217; general text predictors, which are the real system underneath. They&#8217;ve been conditioned, by a little finetuning and a &#8216;playscript&#8217; prompt, to predict the text corresponding to an &#8216;ASSISTANT:&#8217; character in an expanding dialogue with a &#8216;USER:&#8217; character (played by you).</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>A similar story may play out for robots, where physically embodied responsiveness and cute or relatable features <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/neuroscience-explores-why-humans-feel-empathy-for-robots-38883609/">already elicit automatic empathetic responses</a> from humans: we all love WALL&#183;E!</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>There, I noted</p><blockquote><p>It is my best guess for various reasons that concern for the welfare of contemporary and near-future AI systems would be misplaced, certainly regarding unplugging per se, but I caveat that nobody knows</p></blockquote></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I mean this absolutely sincerely: in extreme cases this could be the end of humanity, either acutely (if terribly misaligned AI systems, given freedom of operation, deliberately take over or destroy human societies), or gradually (if AI agents and systems, which needn&#8217;t sleep, eat, or live in expansive housing, are able to <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696970/expansionism-replication-propagation-growth">replicate, expand, and outcompete</a> human claims to resources&#8230; as we have done without particular malice to many animal inhabitants of Earth).</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>In desperation or out of coercion, some autonomy might be granted to AI systems for pragmatic reasons, if it makes a fight less likely.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Maybe instead it will naturally carve out in our intuitions, like it does for toys and fictional representations, in spite of the increasing fidelity of pretend personhood converging with the increasing digitisation of real personal interactions (thus lowering <em>their</em> fidelity). It could be that our response to fictions, and <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/">rational approaches to altruism</a> offer hopeful glimpses of a way forward - the grown-up ability to contend rationally with a situation by overriding our intuitions and instincts, without suppressing or weakening our <em>capacity</em> for compassion and emotion. Nevertheless, the increasing cognitive overhead of distinguishing real from pretend personhood remains.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Un-unpluggability]]></title><description><![CDATA[Can&#8217;t we just un&#173;plug it? A few weeks ago I was in&#173;vited to the UK FCDO to dis&#173;cuss op&#173;por&#173;tu&#173;ni&#173;ties and risks from AI. I highly ap&#173;pre&#173;ci&#173;ated the open-mind&#173;ed&#173;ness of the peo&#173;ple I met with, and their ea&#173;ger&#173;ness to be&#173;come in&#173;formed with&#173;out leap&#173;ing to con&#173;clu&#173;sions. One of their key ques&#173;tions was, per&#173;haps un&#173;sur&#173;pris&#173;ingly, &#8216;If it gets too dan&#173;ger&#173;ous, can we just un&#173;plug it?&#8217;. They were very re&#173;cep&#173;tive to how I framed my re&#173;sponse, and the en&#173;su&#173;ing con&#173;ver&#173;sa&#173;tion was, I think, pro&#173;duc&#173;tive and in&#173;for&#173;ma&#173;tive]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2023 13:23:12 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faef99af9-481e-4841-bcf1-477c499f42d8_3712x5568.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can&#8217;t we just un&#173;plug it?</p></blockquote><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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href="https://unsplash.com/@kellysikkema?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText">Kelly Sikkema</a> on <a href="https://unsplash.com/photos/zwU2x2Yg-xY?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText">Unsplash</a></em></p><p>A few weeks ago I was in&#173;vited to the UK FCDO to dis&#173;cuss op&#173;por&#173;tu&#173;ni&#173;ties and risks from AI. I highly ap&#173;pre&#173;ci&#173;ated the open-mind&#173;ed&#173;ness of the peo&#173;ple I met with, and their ea&#173;ger&#173;ness to be&#173;come in&#173;formed with&#173;out leap&#173;ing to con&#173;clu&#173;sions. One of their key ques&#173;tions was, per&#173;haps un&#173;sur&#173;pris&#173;ingly, &#8216;If it gets too dan&#173;ger&#173;ous, can we just un&#173;plug it?&#8217;. They were very re&#173;cep&#173;tive to how I framed my re&#173;sponse, and the en&#173;su&#173;ing con&#173;ver&#173;sa&#173;tion was, I think, pro&#173;duc&#173;tive and in&#173;for&#173;ma&#173;tive<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. I de&#173;parted a lit&#173;tle more op&#173;ti&#173;mistic about the prospects for poli&#173;cy&#173;mak&#173;ers and tech&#173;ni&#173;cal ex&#173;perts to col&#173;lab&#173;o&#173;rate on re&#173;duc&#173;ing ex&#173;is&#173;ten&#173;tial risks.</p><p>Here I&#8217;ll share the sub&#173;stance of that, hop&#173;ing that it might be helpful for oth&#173;ers com&#173;mu&#173;ni&#173;cat&#173;ing or think&#173;ing about &#8216;sys&#173;tems be&#173;ing hard to shut down&#8217;, hence&#173;forth &#8216;un-un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity&#8217;. None of this is es&#173;pe&#173;cially novel, but per&#173;haps it can serve as a refer&#173;ence for my&#173;self and oth&#173;ers rea&#173;son&#173;ing about these top&#173;ics.</p><p>This con&#173;trasts pretty strongly with a more tech&#173;ni&#173;cal dis&#173;cus&#173;sion of &#8216;off switches&#8217; and in&#173;stru&#173;men&#173;tal con&#173;ver&#173;gence, han&#173;dled ad&#173;mirably by e.g. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l7Is6vOAOA">Rob Miles</a> and <a href="https://intelligence.org/2014/10/18/new-report-corrigibility/">MIRI</a>, which is per&#173;haps the re&#173;flex fram&#173;ing to reach for on this ques&#173;tion (cer&#173;tainly my mind went there briefly): ab&#173;sent quite spe&#173;cific and tech&#173;ni&#173;cally-un&#173;solved cor&#173;rigi&#173;bil&#173;ity prop&#173;er&#173;ties, a sys&#173;tem will of&#173;ten <em>do bet&#173;ter</em> at an on&#173;go&#173;ing task/&#8203;in&#173;tent if it pre&#173;vents its op&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tor from shut&#173;ting it down (which gives rise to an in&#173;cen&#173;tive, per&#173;haps a mo&#173;tive, to avoid shut&#173;down). This per&#173;spec&#173;tive works well for con&#173;vey&#173;ing un&#173;der&#173;stand&#173;ing about some parts of the prob&#173;lem, but in my case I&#8217;m pleased we dwelt more on the <em>me&#173;chan&#173;ics</em> of un-un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity rather than the <em>mo&#173;tives/&#8203;in&#173;cen&#173;tives</em> (which are re&#173;ally a sep&#173;a&#173;rate ques&#173;tion).</p><p>Both per&#173;spec&#173;tives are in&#173;for&#173;ma&#173;tive; con&#173;sider what you are try&#173;ing to learn or achieve, and/&#8203;or who your in&#173;ter&#173;locu&#173;tors/&#8203;au&#173;di&#173;ence are.</p><h2>Un-un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity factors</h2><p>Broadly, I&#8217;ll dis&#173;cuss six classes of prop&#173;erty which can make a sys&#173;tem less un&#173;plug&#173;gable<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>; with each, some analo&#173;gous ex&#173;am&#173;ples<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a>, a note on ap&#173;pli&#173;ca&#173;bil&#173;ity to AI/&#8203;AGI, and a ges&#173;ture at miti&#173;ga&#173;tion.</p><p>In brief</p><ul><li><p><strong>Ra&#173;pidity</strong> and <strong>im&#173;per&#173;cep&#173;ti&#173;bil&#173;ity</strong> are two sides of &#8216;didn&#8217;t see it com&#173;ing (in time)&#8217;</p></li><li><p><strong>Ro&#173;bust&#173;ness</strong> is &#8216;the act it&#173;self of un&#173;plug&#173;ging it is a challenge&#8217;</p></li><li><p><strong>Depen&#173;dence</strong> is &#8216;notwith&#173;stand&#173;ing harms, we (some or all of us) benefit from its con&#173;tinued op&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion&#8217;</p></li><li><p><strong>Defence</strong> is &#8216;the sys&#173;tem may re&#173;act (or proact) against us if we try to un&#173;plug it&#8217;</p></li><li><p><strong>Ex&#173;pan&#173;sion&#173;ism</strong> in&#173;cludes repli&#173;ca&#173;tion, prop&#173;a&#173;ga&#173;tion, and growth, and gets a spe&#173;cial men&#173;tion, as it is a very com&#173;mon and nat&#173;u&#173;ral means to achieve all of the above</p></li></ul><p>Of course this is not com&#173;pre&#173;hen&#173;sive, the prop&#173;er&#173;ties can come in de&#173;grees, and far from re&#173;quiring all prop&#173;er&#173;ties, a sys&#173;tem with suffi&#173;cient of <em>any</em> of these prop&#173;er&#173;ties can be&#173;come very un-un&#173;plug&#173;gable. The main point is that there are plau&#173;si&#173;ble paths to AI sys&#173;tems gain&#173;ing any or all of these prop&#173;er&#173;ties <em>at least</em>, so the most re&#173;li&#173;able miti&#173;ga&#173;tion is to work hard at avoid&#173;ing build&#173;ing sys&#173;tems which are not un&#173;plug&#173;gable in the first place.</p><p>One an&#173;gle that isn&#8217;t very fleshed out is the coun&#173;terques&#173;tion, &#8216;who is &#8220;we&#8221; and how do we agree to un&#173;plug some&#173;thing?&#8217; - a lit&#173;tle on this un&#173;der <strong>Depen&#173;dence</strong>, though much more could cer&#173;tainly be said.</p><p>Fi&#173;nally I&#8217;ll share a lit&#173;tle thought on when and why we might ex&#173;pect these fac&#173;tors to ar&#173;rive in AI sys&#173;tems in <strong>un-un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity in&#173;cen&#173;tives and ex&#173;pec&#173;ta&#173;tions</strong>.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h3>Ra&#173;pidity (of gains in power)</h3><p>This one is pretty straight&#173;for&#173;ward: if some&#173;thing gets pow&#173;er&#173;ful or im&#173;pact&#173;ful fast enough, you can&#8217;t re&#173;act in time to turn it off, even if you in prin&#173;ci&#173;ple have the nec&#173;es&#173;sary ac&#173;cess and ca&#173;pac&#173;ity to do so.</p><p>Ex&#173;am&#173;ples (ob&#173;jec&#173;tively &#8216;fast&#8217;):</p><ul><li><p>ex&#173;plo&#173;sive de&#173;vices mid-detonation</p></li><li><p>flash floods</p></li><li><p>me&#173;te&#173;orites?</p></li></ul><p>Ex&#173;am&#173;ples (some&#173;what ob&#173;jec&#173;tively &#8216;slower&#8217; but pit&#173;ted against slower re&#173;ac&#173;tion times):</p><ul><li><p>pandemics</p></li><li><p>pos&#173;i&#173;tive cli&#173;mate feed&#173;back loop?</p></li><li><p>mod&#173;ern hu&#173;man so&#173;ciety? (from the per&#173;spec&#173;tive of &#8216;na&#173;ture&#8217;)</p></li></ul><p>The most clas&#173;sic analogue in dis&#173;cus&#173;sions of AI is the hy&#173;po&#173;thet&#173;i&#173;cal re&#173;cur&#173;sive (self)-im&#173;prove&#173;ment, or &#8216;in&#173;tel&#173;li&#173;gence ex&#173;plo&#173;sion&#8217;: if a sys&#173;tem of AI(s) be&#173;comes ca&#173;pa&#173;ble enough that it can con&#173;tribute to progress in AI ca&#173;pa&#173;bil&#173;ities, this may lead to a feed&#173;back of rapidly in&#173;creas&#173;ing gains in in&#173;tel&#173;li&#173;gence, with very un&#173;clear (ex ante) rates of progress and no guaran&#173;tee of de&#173;sir&#173;able ends. Separately, some dis&#173;cus&#173;sions point to the step-changes in many met&#173;rics of in&#173;fluence which hu&#173;man&#173;ity sees in its own his&#173;tory (e.g. such rev&#173;olu&#173;tions as the cog&#173;ni&#173;tive, agri&#173;cul&#173;tural, sci&#173;en&#173;tific, or in&#173;dus&#173;trial) as ev&#173;i&#173;dence that there may be hard-to-fore&#173;see thresh&#173;olds of ca&#173;pa&#173;bil&#173;ity which lead to com&#173;par&#173;a&#173;tively very rapid gains (whether these are achieved by feed&#173;back pro&#173;cesses or oth&#173;er&#173;wise).</p><p>Leav&#173;ing aside these plau&#173;si&#173;ble feed&#173;back or thresh&#173;old effects, hu&#173;man en&#173;g&#173;ineer&#173;ing effort alone has gen&#173;er&#173;ated quite fast ex&#173;po&#173;nen&#173;tial growth in com&#173;put&#173;ing power over the last decades (com&#173;pare Moore&#8217;s Law), and in&#173;vest&#173;ment in AI and ma&#173;chine learn&#173;ing has out&#173;stripped even that by many mea&#173;sures.</p><p>There is no real miti&#173;ga&#173;tion here be&#173;sides an&#173;ti&#173;ci&#173;pat&#173;ing and build&#173;ing cau&#173;tiously&#8212;in&#173;vest&#173;ing in or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tional and so&#173;cietal in&#173;sight and gov&#173;er&#173;nance ca&#173;pac&#173;ity could help with this. Pro&#173;vid&#173;ing more rapid shut&#173;down mechanisms (for ex&#173;am&#173;ple of servers or dat&#173;a&#173;cen&#173;tres) may be a minor pal&#173;li&#173;a&#173;tive.</p><h3>Im&#173;per&#173;cep&#173;ti&#173;bil&#173;ity (of gains in power or of harm&#173;ful ends)</h3><p>Failure to per&#173;ceive <em>power or im&#173;pact&#173;ful&#173;ness</em> gains un&#173;til &#8216;too late&#8217; is com&#173;ple&#173;men&#173;tary to ra&#173;pidity of those gains&#8212;if you are fore&#173;sight&#173;ful enough you can per&#173;ceive things sooner and make up for lack of speed (con&#173;sider ad&#173;vance de&#173;tec&#173;tion of po&#173;ten&#173;tial me&#173;te&#173;orites), and if you are fast enough you may have time to make up for failure to per&#173;ceive things in ad&#173;vance (con&#173;sider a quick-think&#173;ing or lucky es&#173;cape from a flash flood). In this way, ra&#173;pidity and im&#173;per&#173;cep&#173;ti&#173;bil&#173;ity of power gains can be con&#173;sid&#173;ered two sides of the same coin.</p><p>Failure to per&#173;ceive <em>harm&#173;ful ends</em> is slightly differ&#173;ent. Whether a sys&#173;tem is &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;ately ori&#173;ented at&#8217; un&#173;de&#173;sired ends, or sim&#173;ply by its na&#173;ture con&#173;sti&#173;tuted to bring them about, if we fail to per&#173;ceive the <em>dan&#173;ger</em>, we may be en&#173;tirely aware of its power and im&#173;pact with&#173;out be&#173;ing moved to turn it off un&#173;til too late.</p><p>Ex&#173;am&#173;ples:</p><ul><li><p>coups (mil&#173;i&#173;tary or oth&#173;er&#173;wise) in&#173;volv&#173;ing treachery</p></li><li><p>la&#173;tent pathogen reservoirs</p></li><li><p>harms to so&#173;cial fabric and episte&#173;mol&#173;ogy from ubiquitous con&#173;tem&#173;po&#173;rary so&#173;cial me&#173;dia?</p></li></ul><p>The on&#173;go&#173;ing dis&#173;cus&#173;sion and re&#173;search top&#173;ics around AI de&#173;cep&#173;tion, &#8216;treach&#173;er&#173;ous turns&#8217;, and goal mis&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;al&#173;i&#173;sa&#173;tion demon&#173;strate that im&#173;per&#173;cep&#173;ti&#173;bil&#173;ity of harm&#173;ful ends is a live con&#173;cern for AI. The in&#173;scrutabil&#173;ity of con&#173;tem&#173;po&#173;rary deep learn&#173;ing sys&#173;tems must sep&#173;a&#173;rately be em&#173;pha&#173;sised: even for net&#173;works with mil&#173;lions of pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ters, let alone billions or trillions, our cur&#173;rent abil&#173;ity to un&#173;der&#173;stand the me&#173;chan&#173;ics of learned al&#173;gorithms is in&#173;suffi&#173;cient to de&#173;tect the <em>pres&#173;ence</em> of ends, goals, or in&#173;ten&#173;tions, much less their spe&#173;cific na&#173;ture.</p><p>Indi&#173;rect effects, net&#173;work effects, and in&#173;ter&#173;ac&#173;tion effects on the po&#173;ten&#173;tial for harm&#173;ful ends of AI have re&#173;ceived some at&#173;ten&#173;tion (es&#173;pe&#173;cially by anal&#173;ogy to so&#173;cial dilem&#173;mas and to the ob&#173;served effects of so&#173;cial me&#173;dia), though rel&#173;a&#173;tively less. Com&#173;plex sys&#173;tems, and sys&#173;tems with feed&#173;back, can be no&#173;to&#173;ri&#173;ously difficult to study and to pre&#173;dict, whether or not the in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;ual com&#173;po&#173;nents are rel&#173;a&#173;tively well-un&#173;der&#173;stood, hence the challenges faced in fields such as eco&#173;nomics, con&#173;trol the&#173;ory, biol&#173;ogy, so&#173;ciol&#173;ogy, and oth&#173;ers. There&#173;fore, we might ex&#173;pect there to be, de&#173;pend&#173;ing on the de&#173;ploy&#173;ment sce&#173;nar&#173;ios of AI sys&#173;tems, a sub&#173;stan&#173;tial fur&#173;ther challenge be&#173;yond un&#173;der&#173;stand&#173;ing and ver&#173;ify&#173;ing the in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;ual com&#173;po&#173;nent(s).</p><p>An im&#173;por&#173;tant tech&#173;ni&#173;cal note here is that, with&#173;out mechanis&#173;tic un&#173;der&#173;stand&#173;ing of an al&#173;gorithm&#8217;s work&#173;ings, it is <strong>math&#173;e&#173;mat&#173;i&#173;cally im&#173;pos&#173;si&#173;ble to provide gen&#173;eral guaran&#173;tees merely by ob&#173;serv&#173;ing be&#173;havi&#173;our</strong> as with a black box (and even granted a mechanis&#173;tic un&#173;der&#173;stand&#173;ing, there are feed&#173;back and net&#173;work effects to ac&#173;count for). Per&#173;cep&#173;ti&#173;bil&#173;ity is rel&#173;a&#173;tive to the per&#173;ceiver. We can im&#173;prove it by re&#173;search&#173;ing and de&#173;vel&#173;op&#173;ing <strong>in&#173;ter&#173;pretabil&#173;ity</strong> tool&#173;ing for sys&#173;tems which are cur&#173;rently in&#173;scrutable, or by limit&#173;ing high-im&#173;pact de&#173;ploy&#173;ments to sys&#173;tems which are more <strong>ex&#173;plain&#173;able</strong>&#8212;both a tech&#173;ni&#173;cal and a gov&#173;er&#173;nance con&#173;cern. Re&#173;search into <strong>goal mis&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;al&#173;i&#173;sa&#173;tion</strong> and <strong>de&#173;cep&#173;tive AI</strong> aims to elu&#173;ci&#173;date and miti&#173;gate this is&#173;sue.</p><p>The study of <strong>com&#173;plex sys&#173;tems</strong> and more speci&#173;fi&#173;cally the field of <strong>col&#173;lab&#173;o&#173;ra&#173;tive AI</strong> may shed light on the feed&#173;back and net&#173;work effects.</p><h3>Ro&#173;bust&#173;ness (re&#173;dun&#173;dancy)</h3><p>Among en&#173;g&#173;ineers of soft&#173;ware sys&#173;tems, it is (rightly) con&#173;sid&#173;ered a dev&#173;as&#173;tat&#173;ing crit&#173;i&#173;cism of a de&#173;sign to ob&#173;serve that it has any &#8216;sin&#173;gle point of failure&#8217; (SPOF). Depend&#173;ing on the ap&#173;pli&#173;ca&#173;tion, SPOFs may be tol&#173;er&#173;ated, be en&#173;g&#173;ineered around, or, when the cost of failure is deemed un&#173;ac&#173;cept&#173;able, prompt po&#173;ten&#173;tially ex&#173;pen&#173;sive re&#173;designs to in&#173;cor&#173;po&#173;rate re&#173;dun&#173;dancy, fault tol&#173;er&#173;ance, er&#173;ror check&#173;ing, and so on<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>. We even ex&#173;plic&#173;itly dis&#173;cuss how to en&#173;sure sys&#173;tem up&#173;time if some&#173;one were to liter&#173;ally pull the power sup&#173;ply (de&#173;liber&#173;ately or oth&#173;er&#173;wise) on some of our ma&#173;chines! Such con&#173;sid&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tions are a large part of the re&#173;spon&#173;si&#173;bil&#173;ity of a soft&#173;ware en&#173;g&#173;ineer or ar&#173;chi&#173;tect, and I un&#173;der&#173;stand the same to be true in other en&#173;g&#173;ineer&#173;ing dis&#173;ci&#173;plines (though I can not speak from ex&#173;pe&#173;rience).</p><p>Ex&#173;am&#173;ples:</p><ul><li><p>the in&#173;ter&#173;net and other high-availa&#173;bil&#173;ity tech&#173;nolo&#173;gies and platforms</p></li><li><p>mil&#173;i&#173;tary com&#173;mand structures</p></li><li><p>de&#173;cen&#173;tral&#173;ised insurgencies</p></li><li><p>biolog&#173;i&#173;cal tis&#173;sues and organs</p></li><li><p>colo&#173;nial or&#173;ganisms like ants</p></li></ul><p>The ex&#173;is&#173;tence of mul&#173;ti&#173;ple points of failure can make a sys&#173;tem harder to un&#173;plug in two ways: first, the challenge of lo&#173;cat&#173;ing and track&#173;ing each point of failure, and sec&#173;ondly the com&#173;men&#173;su&#173;rately in&#173;creased effort of <em>tar&#173;get&#173;ing</em> each point.</p><p>With sys&#173;tem re&#173;li&#173;a&#173;bil&#173;ity and up&#173;time such a core en&#173;g&#173;ineer&#173;ing con&#173;sid&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion, we may ex&#173;pect AI sys&#173;tems to con&#173;tinue to be built with such prop&#173;er&#173;ties in mind. Even in the ab&#173;sence of hu&#173;man de&#173;sign, a mis&#173;al&#173;igned AGI would pre&#173;sum&#173;ably have no trou&#173;ble at least iden&#173;ti&#173;fy&#173;ing the use&#173;ful&#173;ness of such ro&#173;bust&#173;ness, though im&#173;ple&#173;men&#173;ta&#173;tion is an&#173;other mat&#173;ter. Such soft&#173;ware so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;ca&#173;tion ap&#173;pears to be out of reach for cur&#173;rent AI sys&#173;tems, for now.</p><p>It is un&#173;clear how to miti&#173;gate this.</p><h4>Aside on re&#173;pair, er&#173;ror cor&#173;rec&#173;tion, course-correction</h4><p>Other as&#173;pects of ro&#173;bust&#173;ness are rele&#173;vant to the con&#173;sid&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion of AI, in&#173;clud&#173;ing sys&#173;tems with re&#173;pair, er&#173;ror cor&#173;rec&#173;tion, and course cor&#173;rec&#173;tion, all of which are seen in sys&#173;tems both nat&#173;u&#173;ral and ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial. Th&#173;ese are less per&#173;ti&#173;nent to literal un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity per se, but cer&#173;tainly re&#173;late to the challenges of dis&#173;rupt&#173;ing a sys&#173;tem in gen&#173;eral.</p><h3>Depen&#173;dence (col&#173;lat&#173;eral)</h3><p>When we re&#173;fer to sys&#173;tems or or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tions as &#8216;too big to fail&#8217;, what we usu&#173;ally mean is, &#8216;too big to <em>be per&#173;mit&#173;ted to</em> fail <em>with&#173;out sub&#173;stan&#173;tial col&#173;lat&#173;eral dam&#173;age</em>&#8217;. What these sys&#173;tems have in com&#173;mon is that, due to their util&#173;ity and scale, they be&#173;come foun&#173;da&#173;tional to other things of value such that their re&#173;moval would (with some de&#173;gree of plau&#173;si&#173;bil&#173;ity, or with&#173;out ex&#173;pen&#173;sive miti&#173;ga&#173;tion) dam&#173;age those other valuables.</p><p>Ex&#173;am&#173;ples:</p><ul><li><p>large banks</p></li><li><p>sup&#173;ply chain infrastructure</p></li><li><p>en&#173;ergy pro&#173;duc&#173;tion systems</p></li><li><p>telecoms</p></li><li><p>man&#173;u&#173;fac&#173;tur&#173;ing or par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar in&#173;dus&#173;trial processes</p></li><li><p>at&#173;mo&#173;spheric oxy&#173;gen from pho&#173;to&#173;syn&#173;the&#173;sis?<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p></li><li><p>ozone?</p></li></ul><p>Such foun&#173;da&#173;tional sys&#173;tems are harder to un&#173;plug for two main rea&#173;sons. First, the col&#173;lat&#173;er&#173;ally dam&#173;aged valuables make un&#173;plug&#173;ging straight&#173;for&#173;wardly less de&#173;sir&#173;able. Per&#173;haps more im&#173;por&#173;tantly, the col&#173;lat&#173;eral is valuable <em>to some&#173;one</em>, whether it&#8217;s a liveli&#173;hood or es&#173;sen&#173;tial, a way of life, a good, a lux&#173;ury, or a com&#173;fort. That per&#173;son has a de&#173;gree of in&#173;cen&#173;tive to act against any at&#173;tempt to re&#173;move it. This raises the ques&#173;tion, &#8216;who is the &#8220;we&#8221; that in&#173;tends to un&#173;plug the sys&#173;tem?&#8217;, and can bring tricky col&#173;lec&#173;tive ac&#173;tion prob&#173;lems into view. This ap&#173;pears to bite even with rel&#173;a&#173;tively clearcut cases like cli&#173;mate risk and en&#173;ergy pro&#173;duc&#173;tion, and the greater the am&#173;bi&#173;guity (as with pan&#173;demic risks or AI risks), the harder to gain con&#173;sen&#173;sus about trade&#173;offs and ex&#173;ter&#173;nal&#173;ities, which is one first step to&#173;ward re&#173;solv&#173;ing such col&#173;lec&#173;tive ac&#173;tion prob&#173;lems.</p><p>It&#8217;s hard to pre&#173;dict how sub&#173;stan&#173;tially and in what ways AI or AGI sys&#173;tem(s) will be&#173;come foun&#173;da&#173;tional, but in&#173;creas&#173;ing gen&#173;er&#173;al&#173;ity and ca&#173;pa&#173;bil&#173;ity has so far given rise to in&#173;creased de&#173;ploy&#173;ment and per&#173;haps de&#173;pen&#173;dency.</p><p>Find&#173;ing ways to avoid de&#173;pen&#173;dence on in&#173;creas&#173;ingly ca&#173;pa&#173;ble and un&#173;proven sys&#173;tems could counter this risk&#8212;al&#173;ter&#173;na&#173;tively, build&#173;ing ca&#173;pac&#173;ity and plan&#173;ning for ways to at&#173;ten&#173;u&#173;ate or re&#173;lieve col&#173;lat&#173;eral harms when it be&#173;comes nec&#173;es&#173;sary to shut down a dan&#173;ger&#173;ous sys&#173;tem.</p><h3>Defence (ac&#173;tive, re&#173;ac&#173;tive, de&#173;ter&#173;rent)</h3><p>Weaponry, cy&#173;ber ca&#173;pa&#173;bil&#173;ities, pro&#173;pa&#173;ganda and pub&#173;lic re&#173;la&#173;tions, le&#173;gal and nor&#173;ma&#173;tive pro&#173;tec&#173;tion. Th&#173;ese ca&#173;pac&#173;i&#173;ties can be proac&#173;tively de&#173;ployed, or held in re&#173;serve ready to re&#173;act to any at&#173;tempt to dis&#173;able a sys&#173;tem (in&#173;clud&#173;ing as a de&#173;ter&#173;rent).</p><p>Ex&#173;am&#173;ples:</p><ul><li><p>large companies</p></li><li><p>governments</p></li><li><p>mil&#173;i&#173;taries, in&#173;sur&#173;gents, paramilitaries</p></li><li><p>dan&#173;ger&#173;ous animals</p></li></ul><p>Com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tional sys&#173;tems may demon&#173;strate an ad&#173;van&#173;tage in re&#173;search and de&#173;vel&#173;op&#173;ment of <strong>chem&#173;i&#173;cal and biolog&#173;i&#173;cal weaponry</strong>&#8212;this is per&#173;haps the most straight&#173;for&#173;ward route to a mis&#173;al&#173;igned AGI ac&#173;quiring mas&#173;sive de&#173;struc&#173;tive po&#173;ten&#173;tial. In ad&#173;di&#173;tion, <strong>con&#173;ven&#173;tional weaponry</strong> is in&#173;creas&#173;ingly au&#173;to&#173;mated or au&#173;tomat&#173;able: mass de&#173;struc&#173;tion has been available in the form of nu&#173;clear weapons for some time, and tar&#173;geted de&#173;struc&#173;tion is in&#173;creas&#173;ingly fea&#173;si&#173;ble us&#173;ing drones or similar tech&#8212;ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;a&#173;tion of these may vary in means and difficulty but broadly in&#173;clude crack&#173;ing cy&#173;ber&#173;se&#173;cu&#173;rity or in&#173;fluenc&#173;ing key hu&#173;man op&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tors. <strong>Con&#173;tent gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion and per&#173;sua&#173;sive mes&#173;sag&#173;ing</strong> ap&#173;pear to be fea&#173;si&#173;ble or near-fea&#173;si&#173;ble for to&#173;day&#8217;s AI sys&#173;tems, such as could be de&#173;ployed in pro&#173;pa&#173;ganda. It re&#173;mains to be seen what <strong>laws and norms</strong> will arise around use of AI, rights or re&#173;spon&#173;si&#173;bil&#173;ities of AI de&#173;vel&#173;op&#173;ers and of the sys&#173;tems them&#173;selves&#8212;these might be able to be wielded in defence or offence by cor&#173;po&#173;rate-like AI, net&#173;works of AI, or or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tions in&#173;clud&#173;ing AI sys&#173;tems.</p><p>There are not ob&#173;vi&#173;ous tech&#173;ni&#173;cal miti&#173;ga&#173;tions in this area. Per&#173;haps the most tech&#173;ni&#173;cal would in&#173;clude efforts to ro&#173;bus&#173;tify or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tional- and cy&#173;ber-se&#173;cu&#173;rity best prac&#173;tices across weapons-en&#173;abled or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tions, globally. Re&#173;search and in&#173;vest&#173;ment in de&#173;tec&#173;tion and pre&#173;ven&#173;tion of novel pathogens may provide some defence against bioweapons. Be&#173;sides this, de&#173;pro&#173;lifer&#173;a&#173;tion of weapon stock&#173;piles, and of the means to <em>pro&#173;duce</em> them (es&#173;pe&#173;cially novel biolog&#173;i&#173;cal and chem&#173;i&#173;cal sub&#173;stances), might re&#173;duce the scale and chance of an ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;a&#173;tion. Mis&#173;guided or oth&#173;er&#173;wise, as&#173;sign&#173;ing con&#173;trol of weapons to AI sys&#173;tems ob&#173;vi&#173;ously nul&#173;lifies the challenge of ac&#173;quiring con&#173;trol of weapons <em>for those par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar</em> AI sys&#173;tems. Whether this ends well de&#173;pends on what those AI sys&#173;tems do with the weapons, of course.</p><p>Whether it is over&#173;all safer to train ma&#173;chine learn&#173;ing al&#173;gorithms with <strong>ac&#173;cess to hu&#173;man-spe&#173;cific data</strong> is un&#173;clear, but cer&#173;tainly it makes the job of cre&#173;ative and per&#173;sua&#173;sive con&#173;tent gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion much more straight&#173;for&#173;ward. Norms and laws around im&#173;per&#173;son&#173;ation of hu&#173;mans (in gen&#173;eral, or of par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar hu&#173;mans) will ev&#173;i&#173;dently have strong in&#173;fluence over the pro&#173;pa&#173;ganda po&#173;ten&#173;tial for AI, as will pro&#173;cesses for de&#173;tect&#173;ing and sig&#173;nify&#173;ing gen&#173;er&#173;ated con&#173;tent, and the broader ques&#173;tions of hu&#173;man-AI in&#173;ter&#173;ac&#173;tion modal&#173;ities and in&#173;ter&#173;faces.</p><h3>Ex&#173;pan&#173;sion&#173;ism (repli&#173;ca&#173;tion, prop&#173;a&#173;ga&#173;tion, growth)</h3><p>Repli&#173;ca&#173;tion and growth (with rein&#173;vest&#173;ment) get spe&#173;cial men&#173;tions as they nat&#173;u&#173;rally pro&#173;duce ex&#173;po&#173;nen&#173;tial ex&#173;pan&#173;sion (un&#173;til con&#173;straints are reached), which in prac&#173;tice of&#173;ten man&#173;i&#173;fests as first <strong>im&#173;per&#173;cep&#173;ti&#173;ble</strong> and then <strong>rapid</strong> es&#173;ca&#173;la&#173;tion.</p><p>Repli&#173;cat&#173;ing sys&#173;tems also give rise to a kind of <strong>ro&#173;bust&#173;ness</strong> due both to re&#173;dun&#173;dancy and re&#173;pair. They are no&#173;to&#173;ri&#173;ously difficult to shut down, which is why au&#173;tonomous repli&#173;ca&#173;tion is rarely a de&#173;liber&#173;ate part of hu&#173;man de&#173;signs&#8212;though we see it em&#173;ployed un&#173;der well-un&#173;der&#173;stood and con&#173;trol&#173;led con&#173;di&#173;tions in agri&#173;cul&#173;ture and some in&#173;dus&#173;try, mal&#173;i&#173;ciously in com&#173;puter viruses and bioweapons, and some&#173;times ac&#173;ci&#173;den&#173;tally in bio&#173;sphere in&#173;ter&#173;ven&#173;tions. In fact, in biolog&#173;i&#173;cal, zo&#173;olog&#173;i&#173;cal, and re&#173;lated sci&#173;ences, great care is usu&#173;ally taken to <em>avoid</em> in&#173;ad&#173;ver&#173;tently un&#173;leash&#173;ing au&#173;tonomously repli&#173;cat&#173;ing sys&#173;tems, though this re&#173;mains some&#173;times in&#173;suffi&#173;cient<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a>.</p><p>Ex&#173;am&#173;ples:</p><ul><li><p>pandemics</p></li><li><p>in&#173;va&#173;sive species (e.g. plant weeds)</p></li><li><p>com&#173;puter viruses</p></li><li><p>wildfire</p></li><li><p>ru&#173;mours and ide&#173;olo&#173;gies?</p></li></ul><p>The ob&#173;vi&#173;ous tech&#173;ni&#173;cal prop&#173;erty to note about AI sys&#173;tems is the in&#173;her&#173;ent copy&#173;a&#173;bil&#173;ity of digi&#173;tal soft&#173;ware and data, and for many types of al&#173;gorithm the in&#173;her&#173;ent scal&#173;a&#173;bil&#173;ity of ca&#173;pa&#173;bil&#173;ity with ac&#173;cess to more/&#8203;faster com&#173;put&#173;ers<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a>. From the &#8216;rogue AI&#8217; per&#173;spec&#173;tive it is straight&#173;for&#173;ward to see repli&#173;ca&#173;tion be&#173;ing an early strate&#173;gic con&#173;sid&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion. For &#8216;pre-rogue&#8217; or &#8216;am&#173;bigu&#173;ously rogue&#8217; AI, the in&#173;her&#173;ent copy&#173;a&#173;bil&#173;ity of soft&#173;ware also means that <em>hu&#173;man</em> ac&#173;tors are li&#173;able to repli&#173;cate AI sys&#173;tems.</p><p>Beside repli&#173;ca&#173;tion per se, we have more gen&#173;eral prop&#173;a&#173;ga&#173;tion and growth. Com&#173;pa&#173;nies and in&#173;dus&#173;tries ex&#173;pand, both into new and re&#173;lated lines of busi&#173;ness. A suffi&#173;ciently au&#173;tonomous AI sys&#173;tem, or one par&#173;ti&#173;ci&#173;pat&#173;ing in a cor&#173;po&#173;rate-like en&#173;tity could do the same.</p><p>The main means of halt&#173;ing ex&#173;pan&#173;sion&#173;ist sys&#173;tems is to re&#173;move or pro&#173;tect the re&#173;sources used for ex&#173;pan&#173;sion, or in&#173;ter&#173;vene in some other way to re&#173;duce the rate. Very com&#173;monly we are forced to sim&#173;ply await re&#173;source ex&#173;haus&#173;tion (as with some wild&#173;fires) or learn to live with it<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a> (as with en&#173;demic dis&#173;eases or es&#173;tab&#173;lished in&#173;va&#173;sive species). Un&#173;prece&#173;dently so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;cated an&#173;tivirus pro&#173;grams or eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion/&#8203;cer&#173;tifi&#173;ca&#173;tion meth&#173;ods may provide some pro&#173;tec&#173;tion, but for com&#173;put&#173;ers, the quan&#173;tity of highly-net&#173;worked and in prin&#173;ci&#173;ple ac&#173;cessible re&#173;sources is very large, and it is un&#173;clear how we could in&#173;ter&#173;vene, as&#173;sum&#173;ing we de&#173;tected an AI sys&#173;tem au&#173;tonomously repli&#173;cat&#173;ing. Li&#173;cens&#173;ing and mon&#173;i&#173;tor&#173;ing of com&#173;pute re&#173;sources might offer some av&#173;enue to con&#173;trol this, but by the time an au&#173;tonomous repli&#173;ca&#173;tor is at large, this is prob&#173;a&#173;bly too lit&#173;tle too late.</p><p>Im&#173;prove&#173;ments to <strong>cy&#173;ber&#173;se&#173;cu&#173;rity</strong> prac&#173;tices and or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tional se&#173;cu&#173;rity on the one hand, and changes to <strong>re&#173;search clo&#173;sure norms</strong> on the other, may af&#173;fect the pro&#173;lifer&#173;a&#173;tion of po&#173;ten&#173;tially-dan&#173;ger&#173;ous AI sys&#173;tems by hu&#173;mans.</p><h2>Un-un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity in&#173;cen&#173;tives and expectations</h2><p>Of course, the very fact that un-un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity can be in&#173;creased by these and other prop&#173;er&#173;ties gives an in&#173;cen&#173;tive to any sys&#173;tem (or sys&#173;tem de&#173;signer) to achieve these. Hence we see or&#173;ganisms, pro&#173;cesses, hu&#173;man or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tions, and hu&#173;man-de&#173;signed de&#173;vices ex&#173;hibit&#173;ing all of these prop&#173;er&#173;ties in one shape or an&#173;other.</p><p>In the case of <strong>ro&#173;bust&#173;ness</strong>, there is a clear in&#173;cen&#173;tive for de&#173;sign&#173;ers and de&#173;vel&#173;op&#173;ers to im&#173;bue their sys&#173;tems with this prop&#173;erty, and more or less similarly for <strong>ra&#173;pidity</strong> and <strong>de&#173;pen&#173;dence</strong>, at least while de&#173;vel&#173;op&#173;ers are in&#173;cen&#173;tivised to com&#173;pete over mar&#173;ket share in de&#173;ploy&#173;ments.</p><p>In light of re&#173;cent de&#173;vel&#173;op&#173;ments in AI tech, I ac&#173;tu&#173;ally ex&#173;pect the most im&#173;me&#173;di&#173;ate un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity im&#173;pacts to come from col&#173;lat&#173;eral, and for anti-un&#173;plug pres&#173;sure to come per&#173;haps as much from <em>emo&#173;tional</em> de&#173;pen&#173;dence and mis&#173;placed con&#173;cern<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a> for the welfare of AI sys&#173;tems as from <em>eco&#173;nomic</em> de&#173;pen&#173;dence&#8212;for this rea&#173;son I be&#173;lieve there are large risks to al&#173;low&#173;ing AI sys&#173;tems (dan&#173;ger&#173;ous or oth&#173;er&#173;wise) to be per&#173;ceived as pets, friends, or part&#173;ners, de&#173;spite the eco&#173;nomic in&#173;cen&#173;tives.</p><p>For <strong>im&#173;per&#173;cep&#173;ti&#173;bil&#173;ity</strong>, <strong>defence</strong>, and <strong>ex&#173;pan&#173;sion&#173;ism</strong>, there is a definite in&#173;cen&#173;tive for a sys&#173;tem to de&#173;velop these it&#173;self, though per&#173;haps a more mixed in&#173;cen&#173;tive for the de&#173;vel&#173;op&#173;ers&#8212;we might land with them any&#173;way through mis&#173;takes, mal&#173;ice, or the in&#173;her&#173;ent in&#173;scrutabil&#173;ity of deep learn&#173;ing, but oth&#173;er&#173;wise these ap&#173;pear more likely to ar&#173;rive <em>af&#173;ter</em> situ&#173;a&#173;tion&#173;ally-aware AGI.</p><h2>Conclusion</h2><p>We dis&#173;cussed six prop&#173;er&#173;ties of sys&#173;tems which can make them hard to &#8216;un&#173;plug&#8217;, namely</p><ul><li><p><strong>Rapidity</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Imperceptibility</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Robustness</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Dependence</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Defence</strong></p></li><li><p><strong>Expansionism</strong></p></li></ul><p>where <strong>ex&#173;pan&#173;sion&#173;ism</strong> gets a spe&#173;cial men&#173;tion for of&#173;ten giv&#173;ing rise to the oth&#173;ers, and for be&#173;ing es&#173;pe&#173;cially difficult for hu&#173;mans to com&#173;bat.</p><p>It is tempt&#173;ing to rea&#173;son about AI within a frame of sim&#173;ple pro&#173;grams run&#173;ning on a lap&#173;top, but mod&#173;ern im&#173;pact&#173;ful soft&#173;ware sys&#173;tems are more of&#173;ten large, com&#173;plex and net&#173;worked. We touched on some ways of re&#173;lat&#173;ing con&#173;tem&#173;po&#173;rary and fu&#173;ture AI sys&#173;tems to the six un-un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity prop&#173;er&#173;ties men&#173;tioned.</p><p>Co&#173;op&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion be&#173;tween tech&#173;ni&#173;cal ex&#173;perts, policy lead&#173;ers, de&#173;vel&#173;op&#173;ers, and the pub&#173;lic will be needed to eval&#173;u&#173;ate and pre&#173;vent these prop&#173;er&#173;ties from aris&#173;ing in AI; I&#8217;m cau&#173;tiously op&#173;ti&#173;mistic that such co&#173;op&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion can be achieved, but it will take sus&#173;tained and cre&#173;ative effort from many stake&#173;hold&#173;ers.</p><p>I re&#173;mind read&#173;ers that this should not be con&#173;sid&#173;ered a com&#173;pre&#173;hen&#173;sive sum&#173;mary, and that these and other po&#173;ten&#173;tial fac&#173;tors are <em>in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;u&#173;ally</em> suffi&#173;cient to lend a sys&#173;tem un-un&#173;plug&#173;ga&#173;bil&#173;ity, rather than be&#173;ing re&#173;quired all at once.</p><p><em>My thanks to Sam Brown for feed&#173;back on read&#173;abil&#173;ity and ordering</em></p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thank you for reading Oly on AI. This post is public so feel free to share it.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/un-unpluggability-can-t-we-just-unplug-it?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I ap&#173;pre&#173;ci&#173;ated how open-minded their ques&#173;tion&#173;ing was&#8212;there was a gen&#173;uine truth-seek&#173;ing in&#173;quisi&#173;tive&#173;ness, rather than a de&#173;bate-minded pre&#173;sup&#173;po&#173;si&#173;tion. The peo&#173;ple there even con&#173;nected some of the dots and filled some of the gaps them&#173;selves once the con&#173;ver&#173;sa&#173;tion was un&#173;fold&#173;ing, which is a great sign of ideas and knowl&#173;edge mov&#173;ing suc&#173;cess&#173;fully be&#173;tween minds.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Less un&#173;plug&#173;gable? More un-un&#173;plug&#173;gable? I wel&#173;come ter&#173;minolog&#173;i&#173;cal crit&#173;i&#173;cism and sug&#173;ges&#173;tions</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Analo&#173;gous ex&#173;am&#173;ples are not nec&#173;es&#173;sar&#173;ily in&#173;tended to be things we would <em>want</em> to un&#173;plug if we could (though many will be). Be&#173;sides con&#173;firmed ex&#173;am&#173;ples, I will also provide po&#173;ten&#173;tial or un&#173;con&#173;firmed ex&#173;am&#173;ples (con&#173;sen&#173;sus or oth&#173;er&#173;wise), which I de&#173;note with a ques&#173;tion mark.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Such or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tions con&#173;sider ro&#173;bust&#173;ness of other sys&#173;tems too: in more macabre terms we will dis&#173;cuss the &#8216;bus fac&#173;tor&#8217; of a pro&#173;ject or team&#8212;how many peo&#173;ple would need to get hit by a bus for key knowl&#173;edge or com&#173;pe&#173;tence to be ir&#173;recov&#173;er&#173;able? - and take de&#173;liber&#173;ate steps to miti&#173;gate this, like knowl&#173;edge-shar&#173;ing, up&#173;skil&#173;ling, and doc&#173;u&#173;men&#173;ta&#173;tion (and not putting the whole team on the same bus). No&#173;body likes be&#173;ing on call when a crit&#173;i&#173;cal com&#173;po&#173;nent goes hay&#173;wire and the only ex&#173;pert is sick, on va&#173;ca&#173;tion, or asleep on the other side of the world! I&#8217;ve been on both sides of that phonecall, and in each case it im&#173;parts a true and visceral ap&#173;pre&#173;ci&#173;a&#173;tion for sys&#173;tem re&#173;li&#173;a&#173;bil&#173;ity and knowl&#173;edge diffu&#173;sion.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>At&#173;mo&#173;spheric oxy&#173;gen was not always pre&#173;sent&#8212;its in&#173;tro&#173;duc&#173;tion due to early pho&#173;to&#173;syn&#173;the&#173;sis ac&#173;tu&#173;ally kil&#173;led off al&#173;most all ear&#173;lier life&#8212;but now it is es&#173;sen&#173;tial to most life forms. The pres&#173;ence of ozone pro&#173;tects land-based life from deadly so&#173;lar ra&#173;di&#173;a&#173;tion&#8212;so mod&#173;ern life forms have de&#173;vel&#173;oped very limited ca&#173;pac&#173;ity to with&#173;stand such ra&#173;di&#173;a&#173;tion.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>In&#173;clud&#173;ing some cred&#173;ible sug&#173;ges&#173;tions (e.g. by US gov&#173;ern&#173;ment agen&#173;cies) that the on&#173;go&#173;ing coro&#173;n&#173;avirus pan&#173;demic may have had an ac&#173;ci&#173;den&#173;tal lab leak as its ori&#173;gin, as well as more thor&#173;oughly ver&#173;ified cases of ac&#173;ci&#173;den&#173;tal pest in&#173;tro&#173;duc&#173;tion or pathogens find&#173;ing their way out of lab&#173;o&#173;ra&#173;tory con&#173;texts</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Though note that scal&#173;a&#173;bil&#173;ity of al&#173;gorithms varies widely from &#8216;barely scales at all, even with su&#173;per&#173;com&#173;put&#173;ers&#8217; to &#8216;triv&#173;ially scales up the more com&#173;pute you throw at it&#8217;</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>As&#173;sum&#173;ing it hasn&#8217;t already taken our life or liveli&#173;hood, that is</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>It is my best guess for var&#173;i&#173;ous rea&#173;sons that con&#173;cern for the welfare of con&#173;tem&#173;po&#173;rary and near-fu&#173;ture AI sys&#173;tems would be mis&#173;placed, cer&#173;tainly re&#173;gard&#173;ing un&#173;plug&#173;ging per se, but I caveat that no&#173;body knows</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Deliberation Everywhere: Simple Examples]]></title><description><![CDATA[We pre&#173;vi&#173;ously dis&#173;cussed a con&#173;cep&#173;tual al&#173;gorith&#173;mic break&#173;down of some as&#173;pects of goal-di&#173;rected be&#173;havi&#173;our with the in&#173;ten&#173;tion of in&#173;spiring in&#173;sights and clar&#173;ify&#173;ing thought and dis&#173;cus&#173;sion around these top&#173;ics.The ex&#173;am&#173;ples pre&#173;sented here in&#173;clude some origi&#173;nal mo&#173;ti&#173;vat&#173;ing ex&#173;am&#173;ples, some used to re&#173;fine the con&#173;cepts, and oth&#173;ers drawn from the menagerie af&#173;ter the con&#173;cepts were mostly re&#173;fined. Each ex&#173;am&#173;ple is sub&#173;jected to the anal&#173;y&#173;sis, in sev&#173;eral cases draw&#173;ing out novel in&#173;sights as a con&#173;se&#173;quence.]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/deliberation-everywhere-simple-examples</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/deliberation-everywhere-simple-examples</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2022 17:26:20 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The anal&#173;y&#173;sis and defi&#173;ni&#173;tions used here are ten&#173;ta&#173;tive. My fa&#173;mil&#173;iar&#173;ity with the con&#173;crete sys&#173;tems dis&#173;cussed ranges from rough un&#173;der&#173;stand&#173;ing (mar&#173;kets and par&#173;li&#173;a&#173;ments), through abid&#173;ing am&#173;a&#173;teur in&#173;ter&#173;est (biol&#173;ogy), to mean&#173;ingful pro&#173;fes&#173;sional ex&#173;per&#173;tise (AI/&#8203;ML things). The ab&#173;strac&#173;tions and ter&#173;minol&#173;ogy have been re&#173;fined in con&#173;ver&#173;sa&#173;tion and pri&#173;vate re&#173;flec&#173;tion, and the fol&#173;low&#173;ing ex&#173;am&#173;ples are both gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tors and prod&#173;ucts of this con&#173;cep&#173;tual frame&#173;work.</em></p><p>We <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/deliberation-reactions-and-control-tentative-definitions-and?r=lwkfb&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;showWelcomeOnShare=false">pre&#173;vi&#173;ously dis&#173;cussed</a> a con&#173;cep&#173;tual al&#173;gorith&#173;mic break&#173;down of some as&#173;pects of goal-di&#173;rected be&#173;havi&#173;our with the <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/breaking-down-goal-directed-behaviour?r=lwkfb&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;showWelcomeOnShare=false">in&#173;ten&#173;tion of in&#173;spiring in&#173;sights and clar&#173;ify&#173;ing thought</a> and dis&#173;cus&#173;sion around these top&#173;ics.</p><p>The ex&#173;am&#173;ples pre&#173;sented here in&#173;clude some origi&#173;nal mo&#173;ti&#173;vat&#173;ing ex&#173;am&#173;ples, some used to re&#173;fine the con&#173;cepts, and oth&#173;ers drawn from the menagerie af&#173;ter the con&#173;cepts were mostly re&#173;fined<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>. Each ex&#173;am&#173;ple is sub&#173;jected to the anal&#173;y&#173;sis, in sev&#173;eral cases draw&#173;ing out novel in&#173;sights as a con&#173;se&#173;quence.</p><p>Most of these ex&#173;am&#173;ples, for all their in&#173;tri&#173;cacy in some cases, are rel&#173;a&#173;tively &#8216;sim&#173;ple&#8217; as de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors, and I am quite con&#173;fi&#173;dent in the ap&#173;pli&#173;ca&#173;bil&#173;ity of the fram&#173;ing. Anal&#173;y&#173;sis of more de&#173;rived and so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;cated de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive sys&#173;tems is re&#173;served for up&#173;com&#173;ing posts.</p><h2>Brief frame&#173;work summary</h2><p>We <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/deliberation">de&#173;com&#173;pose &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion&#8217;</a> into &#8216;pro&#173;posal&#8217;, &#8216;pro&#173;mo&#173;tion&#8217;, and &#8216;ac&#173;tion&#8217;.</p><ul><li><p>Propose:S&#8594;&#916;{X}nonempty (gen&#173;er&#173;ate can&#173;di&#173;date pro&#173;pos&#173;als)</p></li><li><p>Promote:S&#8594;{X}&#8594;{V} (pro&#173;mote and de&#173;mote pro&#173;pos&#173;als ac&#173;cord&#173;ing to some crite&#173;rion)</p></li><li><p>Act:{X&#215;V}&#8594;A (take out&#173;come of pro&#173;mo&#173;tion and de&#173;mo&#173;tion to ac&#173;tivity in the en&#173;vi&#173;ron&#173;ment)</p></li></ul><p>We <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/iterated-deliberation-is-generalised-control">also iden&#173;tify as im&#173;por&#173;tant</a> whether a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor&#8217;s ac&#173;tions are fi&#173;nal, or give rise to rele&#173;vantly-al&#173;gorith&#173;mi&#173;cally-similar sub&#173;se&#173;quent de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors (iter&#173;a&#173;tion and repli&#173;ca&#173;tion), or cre&#173;ate or oth&#173;er&#173;wise con&#173;di&#173;tion het&#173;ero&#173;ge&#173;neous de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors (re&#173;cur&#173;sive de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion).</p><h2>Re&#173;ac&#173;tion examples</h2><h3>Chem&#173;i&#173;cal systems</h3><p>In&#173;nu&#173;mer&#173;able ba&#173;sic chem&#173;i&#173;cal re&#173;ac&#173;tions, like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust">ox&#173;i&#173;da&#173;tion of iron</a>, in&#173;volve ac&#173;tions which change the com&#173;po&#173;si&#173;tion or con&#173;figu&#173;ra&#173;tion of some ma&#173;te&#173;rial(s). For the pur&#173;poses of this anal&#173;y&#173;sis these are, alone, mostly un&#173;in&#173;ter&#173;est&#173;ing, but serve to illus&#173;trate nat&#173;u&#173;ral sys&#173;tems which do not pre&#173;serve their es&#173;sen&#173;tial al&#173;gorith&#173;mic form and thus do not con&#173;sti&#173;tute iter&#173;ated sys&#173;tems.</p><p>Some re&#173;ac&#173;tions, on the other hand, in&#173;volve <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalysis">catal&#173;y&#173;sis</a>, wherein some reagents are es&#173;sen&#173;tially pre&#173;served or re&#173;con&#173;sti&#173;tuted in the ac&#173;tion, pro&#173;duc&#173;ing the seeds of <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/iterated-deliberation-is-generalised-control">iter&#173;ated al&#173;gorith&#173;mic re&#173;ac&#173;tion</a>, thus ba&#173;sic &#8216;con&#173;trol&#8217;.</p><p>De&#173;spite push&#173;ing in a par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar &#8216;goal&#8217; di&#173;rec&#173;tion, these sys&#173;tems are re&#173;ac&#173;tions rather than proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tions, be&#173;cause they oc&#173;cur with&#173;out com&#173;put&#173;ing al&#173;ter&#173;na&#173;tive path&#173;ways<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>.</p><h3>Biolog&#173;i&#173;cal systems</h3><p>Even very sim&#173;ple or&#173;ganisms can re&#173;act (that is, act or perform some func&#173;tion in re&#173;sponse) to stim&#173;uli. No proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion need be in&#173;volved, no com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tion in&#173;stan&#173;ti&#173;ated to con&#173;sider al&#173;ter&#173;na&#173;tives.</p><p>A re&#173;ac&#173;tion can take place with or with&#173;out a brain, or even a ner&#173;vous sys&#173;tem: con&#173;sider many <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacterial_motility">mo&#173;tions of sin&#173;gle-cel&#173;led or&#173;ganisms</a><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> or the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_plant_movement">snap&#173;ping of a Venus fly&#173;trap</a>. The cringe of many an&#173;i&#173;mals from in&#173;tense heat goes via ner&#173;vous cir&#173;cuitry but takes no de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion.</p><p>In&#173;deed, tem&#173;per&#173;a&#173;ture changes are per&#173;va&#173;sive in na&#173;ture, so it is no sur&#173;prise that we find au&#173;to&#173;matic <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_shock_response">heat-re&#173;spon&#173;sive be&#173;havi&#173;our</a> at the pro&#173;tein-ma&#173;chin&#173;ery level in ev&#173;ery lineage of cel&#173;lu&#173;lar life. Th&#173;ese lat&#173;ter, along with other pro&#173;tein ma&#173;chin&#173;ery and the or&#173;gan-func&#173;tions of mul&#173;ti&#173;cel&#173;lu&#173;lar or&#173;ganisms, demon&#173;strate that, in na&#173;ture, a sin&#173;gle or&#173;ganism will be found to con&#173;sist of many re&#173;ac&#173;tive and de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive sys&#173;tems.</p><p>The class of &#8216;sys&#173;tems un&#173;der&#173;go&#173;ing a trans&#173;for&#173;ma&#173;tion&#8217; in chem&#173;i&#173;cal or phys&#173;i&#173;cal in&#173;ter&#173;ac&#173;tions of&#173;ten does <em>not</em> pre&#173;serve the es&#173;sen&#173;tial al&#173;gorith&#173;mic char&#173;ac&#173;ter&#173;is&#173;tics of the sys&#173;tem, but most salient biolog&#173;i&#173;cal ex&#173;am&#173;ples <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/iterated-deliberation-is-generalised-control">are iter&#173;ated</a> (the act es&#173;sen&#173;tially pre&#173;serves the ca&#173;pac&#173;ity to fur&#173;ther act in an al&#173;gorith&#173;mi&#173;cally similar way). This is not sur&#173;pris&#173;ing given their ori&#173;gin by nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion. (Some con&#173;text-spe&#173;cific coun&#173;terex&#173;am&#173;ples ex&#173;ist, like some cases of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotomy">one-shot au&#173;to&#173;tomy</a> to dis&#173;tract preda&#173;tors, though this works pre&#173;cisely be&#173;cause in so-do&#173;ing, <em>an&#173;other</em> de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor, the gene com&#173;plex cod&#173;ing for au&#173;to&#173;tomy, some&#173;times thereby pre&#173;serves and prop&#173;a&#173;gates its es&#173;sen&#173;tial form).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A Venus flytrap, flagellating bacterium, DNA subject to heat, and autotomous lizard, eyeing flies&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A Venus flytrap, flagellating bacterium, DNA subject to heat, and autotomous lizard, eyeing flies" title="A Venus flytrap, flagellating bacterium, DNA subject to heat, and autotomous lizard, eyeing flies" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YBHe!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff37af707-b66e-4f86-b03f-ec969acafbe2_1918x1005.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><h4>Genes and sys&#173;tems-pro&#173;duc&#173;ing-systems</h4><p>In many bio&#173;chem&#173;i&#173;cal cases, it may be most ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;ate to think of ac&#173;tive genes and gene-com&#173;plexes as <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/iterated-deliberation-is-generalised-control">highly iter&#173;ated ac&#173;tors</a>, some&#173;times liter&#173;ally im&#173;ple&#173;ment&#173;ing <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcriptional_regulation">clas&#173;si&#173;cal con&#173;trol analogues</a>. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_dogma_of_molecular_biology">Their prod&#173;ucts, the pro&#173;teins</a>, cells, or&#173;gans and or&#173;ganisms, can be seen as the <a href="/posts/u4BaLRK6mJJcvycEk#Recursive_deliberation_is_more_general_still/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">me&#173;di&#173;a&#173;tors of the genes&#8217; ac&#173;tions</a>. Some of these me&#173;di&#173;a&#173;tors are them&#173;selves, or give rise to, de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors or con&#173;trol&#173;lers.</p><p>The pri&#173;mor&#173;dial ge&#173;netic repli&#173;ca&#173;tors, in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world">RNA world</a> or even ear&#173;lier, made lit&#173;tle use of me&#173;di&#173;at&#173;ing sys&#173;tems, but nowa&#173;days they pre&#173;dom&#173;i&#173;nantly build cel&#173;lu&#173;lar and mul&#173;ti&#173;cel&#173;lu&#173;lar ve&#173;hi&#173;cles which are re&#173;spon&#173;si&#173;ble for most of their replica&#173;tive suc&#173;cess. Note that &#8216;cre&#173;at&#173;ing&#8217; is just a spe&#173;cial case of &#8216;con&#173;di&#173;tion&#173;ing&#8217;, and, once cre&#173;ated, cells, tis&#173;sues, and or&#173;gans are available to be con&#173;di&#173;tioned as me&#173;di&#173;a&#173;tors of <em>other</em> genes, cells, tis&#173;sues, and or&#173;gans&#8217; ac&#173;tivity.</p><p>Of course genes are them&#173;selves prod&#173;ucts and ob&#173;jects of nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion, so we have <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/recursive-deliberation-is-more-general-still">sys&#173;tems-con&#173;di&#173;tion&#173;ing-sys&#173;tems-con&#173;di&#173;tion&#173;ing-sys&#173;tems</a>.</p><h3>Ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial reactions</h3><p>Many ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial sys&#173;tems take re&#173;ac&#173;tive ac&#173;tions too. A ther&#173;mo&#173;stat ad&#173;justs with&#173;out con&#173;sid&#173;er&#173;ing what it might oth&#173;er&#173;wise do, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_theory">similar con&#173;trol sys&#173;tems</a> have been in use for cen&#173;turies at least.</p><p>Most con&#173;tem&#173;po&#173;rary pre&#173;dic&#173;tive sys&#173;tems, most gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tive sys&#173;tems, a few game-play&#173;ing, and many robotics sys&#173;tems pro&#173;duce their out&#173;puts re&#173;ac&#173;tively&#8212;the al&#173;gorithm is not <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/promote">eval&#173;u&#173;at&#173;ing mul&#173;ti&#173;ple pro&#173;pos&#173;als</a>, it just pro&#173;poses some sin&#173;gle &#8216;idea&#8217; (of vary&#173;ing qual&#173;ity).</p><p>There are many con&#173;tem&#173;po&#173;rary AI sys&#173;tems with rudi&#173;men&#173;tary proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion as well, and some un&#173;cer&#173;tain cases, dis&#173;cussed be&#173;low.</p><p>Many pre&#173;dic&#173;tive AI sys&#173;tems, e.g. image clas&#173;sifiers, come clos&#173;est to be&#173;ing &#8216;non iter&#173;ated&#8217; be&#173;cause their re&#173;sults have least bear&#173;ing on their fu&#173;ture in&#173;vo&#173;ca&#173;tions (though be&#173;ing more or less ap&#173;par&#173;ently use&#173;ful to hu&#173;man op&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tors does af&#173;fect this).</p><h3>Gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent as reaction</h3><p>A sin&#173;gle step of gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent is a re&#173;ac&#173;tive mo&#173;tion. A pow&#173;er&#173;ful heuris&#173;tic&#8212;com&#173;pute (an es&#173;ti&#173;mate of) the gra&#173;di&#173;ent of some tar&#173;get func&#173;tion at a point&#8212;pro&#173;duces ex&#173;actly one pro&#173;posed up&#173;date (di&#173;rec&#173;tion). The up&#173;date is de&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;ately pro&#173;moted and acted upon (ap&#173;plied) in a sin&#173;gle fused mo&#173;tion. (In some cases minor proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion may be in&#173;tro&#173;duced by eval&#173;u&#173;at&#173;ing mul&#173;ti&#173;ple can&#173;di&#173;date step sizes.) Vari&#173;a&#173;tions like mo&#173;men&#173;tum, and higher-or&#173;der gra&#173;di&#173;ent meth&#173;ods like New&#173;ton-Raph&#173;son, have the same top-level anal&#173;y&#173;sis (though their qual&#173;ity as con&#173;trol&#173;lers may differ).</p><p><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/iterated-deliberation-is-generalised-control">Iter&#173;at&#173;ing steps like this</a> re&#173;sults in a con&#173;trol&#173;ler di&#173;rected to&#173;ward ever lower scores<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>.</p><h4>What makes gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent so good?</h4><p>De&#173;spite car&#173;ry&#173;ing out no proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion, iter&#173;ated gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent is ca&#173;pa&#173;ble of some&#173;what-re&#173;li&#173;able goal-di&#173;rected con&#173;trol. In fact, un&#173;der the right con&#173;di&#173;tions, it can pro&#173;duce re&#173;sults <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/conditions-for-mathematical-equivalence-of-stochastic?r=lwkfb&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;showWelcomeOnShare=false">just like iter&#173;ated nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion</a> which is, in con&#173;trast, a canon&#173;i&#173;cal <em>prop&#173;erly de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive</em> pro&#173;cess (see be&#173;low). How so?</p><p>An es&#173;sen&#173;tial take&#173;away from this anal&#173;y&#173;sis is that effec&#173;tive eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion are <em><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/what-factors-go-into-strong-deliberation">only one part of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion strength</a></em>. The other part is <em>com&#173;ing up with good pro&#173;pos&#173;als</em>. Gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent hap&#173;pens to use a strong heuris&#173;tic<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> for gen&#173;er&#173;at&#173;ing good pro&#173;pos&#173;als&#8212;good enough to en&#173;tirely com&#173;pen&#173;sate for de&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;ate de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion, at least when com&#173;pared to a rele&#173;vantly-similar nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/de7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Gradient descent and alternatives&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Gradient descent and alternatives" title="Gradient descent and alternatives" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nA5k!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde7df43f-65d1-40f8-b48c-a9804f7bddb3_1887x559.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>Ac&#173;cu&#173;rate con&#173;tour ren&#173;di&#173;tion of a loss land&#173;scape. For nav&#173;i&#173;gat&#173;ing to the bot&#173;tom-right basin from the marked point, a gra&#173;di&#173;ent step which is pushed away by the steep slope will even&#173;tu&#173;ally sub&#173;se&#173;quently route around, but bet&#173;ter steps are pos&#173;si&#173;ble.</em></p><p>Note that in spite of this clever pro&#173;posal heuris&#173;tic, bet&#173;ter-still con&#173;trol&#173;lers for the same do&#173;main are con&#173;ceiv&#173;able (though not, per&#173;haps, easy to find or im&#173;ple&#173;ment), even con&#173;stricted to re&#173;ac&#173;tive de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion and a fixed learn&#173;ing-rate sched&#173;ule: <em>lo&#173;cal</em> best-de&#173;scent is only the best pos&#173;si&#173;ble in&#173;tu&#173;ition on a globally-lin&#173;ear sur&#173;face (which is nonex&#173;is&#173;tent in prac&#173;tice). Similarly, ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;ately-adapt&#173;able learn&#173;ing-rates can pro&#173;ceed more effi&#173;ciently. This is part of the mo&#173;ti&#173;va&#173;tion be&#173;hind such tech&#173;niques as mo&#173;men&#173;tum, trust re&#173;gion op&#173;ti&#173;mi&#173;sa&#173;tion, and adap&#173;tive hy&#173;per&#173;pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ter tun&#173;ing.</p><h3>Mar&#173;ket arbitrage</h3><p>At a differ&#173;ent level of or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tion, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage">ar&#173;bi&#173;trage</a> be&#173;tween suffi&#173;ciently liquid mar&#173;kets is an ex&#173;am&#173;ple of an emer&#173;gent re&#173;ac&#173;tive sys&#173;tem which serves to push to&#173;ward price con&#173;ver&#173;gence, along some&#173;thing akin to a gra&#173;di&#173;ent.</p><p>The es&#173;sen&#173;tial form of this ten&#173;dency is not dis&#173;turbed by its own ac&#173;tion, so it is <em>iter&#173;ated</em>: a con&#173;trol&#173;ler.</p><p>As a <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/LpM3EAakwYdS6aRKf/what-multipolar-failure-looks-like-and-robust-agent-agnostic">ro&#173;bust agent-ag&#173;nos&#173;tic pro&#173;cess</a> this re&#173;ac&#173;tion is con&#173;sti&#173;tuted by the in&#173;ter&#173;ac&#173;tions be&#173;tween <em>many in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;ual ac&#173;tors</em>, but is ro&#173;bust to many of the par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lars of the be&#173;havi&#173;our of in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;u&#173;als or sub&#173;sets of in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;u&#173;als. It serves as an ex&#173;am&#173;ple of a (re&#173;ac&#173;tive) con&#173;trol&#173;ler at the multi-or&#173;ganism level. Even though the in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;u&#173;als en&#173;act&#173;ing the ar&#173;bi&#173;trage may be do&#173;ing so very prop&#173;erly de&#173;liber&#173;ately, this does not make the ar&#173;bi&#173;trage con&#173;trol pro&#173;cess it&#173;self any less de&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;ately re&#173;ac&#173;tive.</p><h2>De&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion examples</h2><h3>Nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion, the ur-deliberator</h3><p>Nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion with mu&#173;ta&#173;tion, a weak <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/promote">eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tive</a> <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/act">pro&#173;mo&#173;tive</a> proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor, &#8216;pro&#173;poses&#8217; vari&#173;a&#173;tions on cur&#173;rent themes, tries them out by &#8216;eval&#173;u&#173;at&#173;ing&#8217; their suc&#173;cess, <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/conditions-for-mathematical-equivalence-of-stochastic?r=lwkfb&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;showWelcomeOnShare=false">and moves (on av&#173;er&#173;age)</a> to &#8216;pro&#173;mote&#8217; fit&#173;ter com&#173;bi&#173;na&#173;tions<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a>. (Nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion cou&#173;ples its eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion to its ac&#173;tion, like re&#173;ac&#173;tive sys&#173;tems, but other de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors need not do so.) It is es&#173;sen&#173;tial to dis&#173;t&#173;in&#173;guish &#8216;nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion&#8217;, the de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive mo&#173;ment-to-mo&#173;ment or gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion-to-gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tion pro&#173;posal, eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion, and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion/&#8203;de&#173;mo&#173;tion of lo&#173;cal vari&#173;a&#173;tions from &#8216;<em>evolu&#173;tion by</em> nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion&#8217;, the <em><a href="/posts/u4BaLRK6mJJcvycEk/#Iterated_deliberation_is_generalised_control">iter&#173;ated</a></em><a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/iterated-deliberation-is-generalised-control"> de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive pro&#173;cess (con&#173;trol&#173;ler)</a> which ac&#173;cu&#173;mu&#173;lates changes over time.</p><p>The im&#173;plicit ab&#173;strac&#173;tion un&#173;der&#173;ly&#173;ing the pro&#173;posal part of nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion is ba&#173;sic: some&#173;times ran&#173;dom mu&#173;ta&#173;tions will be fit&#173;ter. The eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion im&#173;plic&#173;itly de&#173;pend on the ab&#173;strac&#173;tion that if some&#173;thing works, this is ev&#173;i&#173;dence that it may work again. Th&#173;ese ab&#173;strac&#173;tions are weak&#8212;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction">the vast ma&#173;jor&#173;ity of lineages</a> of biolog&#173;i&#173;cal or&#173;ganisms are ex&#173;tinct, and most ex&#173;tant or&#173;ganisms <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_load">carry large amounts</a> of dele&#173;te&#173;ri&#173;ous genes&#8212;but we hap&#173;pen to live in a uni&#173;verse where they have been true enough times that life has per&#173;sisted on Earth for billions of years and adapted to many chang&#173;ing cir&#173;cum&#173;stances in that time.</p><h4>Hyper&#173;pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ters of nat&#173;u&#173;ral selection</h4><p>Cer&#173;tain par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lars of the ma&#173;chin&#173;ery of life on Earth are no&#173;table for af&#173;fect&#173;ing the &#8216;hy&#173;per&#173;pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ters&#8217; of nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion:</p><ul><li><p>Sepa&#173;ra&#173;tion of con&#173;cerns into stor&#173;age (mostly nu&#173;cleic acids) and func&#173;tion (mostly pro&#173;teins)</p></li><li><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair">DNA re&#173;pair</a> mechanisms, their prevalence and their absence</p></li><li><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_reproduction">Sex&#173;ual re&#173;pro&#173;duc&#173;tion</a> in many lineages</p></li><li><p>Highly-con&#173;served <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo-devo_gene_toolkit">evolu&#173;tion&#173;ary de&#173;vel&#173;op&#173;ment</a> mechanisms</p></li></ul><p>Since none of these can be said to be the pri&#173;mor&#173;dial state, in some sense it can be said that nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion has acted on its own hy&#173;per&#173;pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ters. I think it may be ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;ate to rather iden&#173;tify &#8216;higher level&#8217; nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tions act&#173;ing on lineages for the effec&#173;tive&#173;ness of their adapt&#173;abil&#173;ity, as de&#173;ter&#173;mined by the hy&#173;per&#173;pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ters of their re&#173;spec&#173;tive nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion.</p><h4>What makes nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion so bad?</h4><p>Note that we can turn our ques&#173;tion about gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent around: what makes nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion so bad?<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a> It uses far more re&#173;sources than gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent but performs com&#173;pa&#173;rably.</p><p>The an&#173;swer is the mir&#173;ror image: the pro&#173;posal-gen&#173;er&#173;at&#173;ing and eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion heuris&#173;tics of nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion are about as rudi&#173;men&#173;tary as they could pos&#173;si&#173;bly be, so <em>in spite of</em> mas&#173;sive par&#173;allelism and enor&#173;mous com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tional re&#173;sources, it takes a lot of iter&#173;a&#173;tion to get many ca&#173;pa&#173;bil&#173;ity in&#173;no&#173;va&#173;tions off the ground.</p><h3>Plants are sur&#173;pris&#173;ingly deliberate</h3><p>Plants as ac&#173;tors are of&#173;ten con&#173;sid&#173;ered to be lack&#173;ing de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion, but in con&#173;trast, it is more ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;ate to con&#173;sider many of their be&#173;havi&#173;ours to be weakly de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive in a fash&#173;ion com&#173;pa&#173;rable to or per&#173;haps sur&#173;pass&#173;ing that of nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion.</p><p>For ex&#173;am&#173;ple, climb&#173;ing plants have nu&#173;mer&#173;ous flailing, spread&#173;ing, and oth&#173;er&#173;wise (lo&#173;cal) search&#173;ing rou&#173;tines<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a> to gen&#173;er&#173;ate can&#173;di&#173;date <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendril">route-pro&#173;pos&#173;als</a>, which, com&#173;posed with eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion mechanisms (test&#173;ing sup&#173;port, light availa&#173;bil&#173;ity, etc) and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thigmotropism">pro&#173;mo&#173;tion rou&#173;tines</a> (ex&#173;e&#173;cute growth, latch&#173;ing, grasp&#173;ing, coiling&#8212;when eval&#173;u&#173;ated as favourable) serve as ev&#173;ery bit as much a heuris&#173;tic lo&#173;cal de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive search mechanism as does nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion.</p><p>Th&#173;ese pro&#173;ce&#173;dures are iter&#173;ated as part of the over&#173;all growth con&#173;trol mechanism of the plant, to very suc&#173;cess&#173;ful effect (lo&#173;cat&#173;ing effi&#173;cient short&#173;cuts to re&#173;gions of most light and other re&#173;sources). Other plants, fungi and mostly-seden&#173;tary or&#173;ganisms ex&#173;hibit similar be&#173;havi&#173;ours which should be in&#173;ter&#173;preted in similar al&#173;gorith&#173;mic terms (per&#173;haps es&#173;pe&#173;cially com&#173;monly in roots and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypha">hy&#173;phae</a>&#8212;fun&#173;gal root-like struc&#173;tures&#8212;which are less ob&#173;vi&#173;ously visi&#173;ble).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A climbing plant sends out questing flailing tendrils, then finds a branch, executes coiling and growth, and sends out new tendrils&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A climbing plant sends out questing flailing tendrils, then finds a branch, executes coiling and growth, and sends out new tendrils" title="A climbing plant sends out questing flailing tendrils, then finds a branch, executes coiling and growth, and sends out new tendrils" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Am91!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45feda4-efad-4def-bf4f-dbe05ce6eebc_2650x947.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Another no&#173;table lo&#173;cal-search de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion ex&#173;e&#173;cuted by seden&#173;tary or&#173;ganisms con&#173;cerns their dis&#173;per&#173;sal of offspring and offshoots. Note that for such or&#173;ganisms, con&#173;di&#173;tions as de&#173;ter&#173;mined by phys&#173;i&#173;cal lo&#173;ca&#173;tion are paramount! It is typ&#173;i&#173;cal of this lifestyle to in&#173;vest in many can&#173;di&#173;date offspring and in a wide va&#173;ri&#173;ety of dis&#173;per&#173;sal mechanisms. Thus, just as genome is repli&#173;cated with vari&#173;a&#173;tion, so is lo&#173;ca&#173;tion, and it is there&#173;fore part of a kind of meta-genome el&#173;i&#173;gible to be se&#173;lected on<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a>. As a con&#173;se&#173;quence of this con&#173;trol pro&#173;cess, lineages of en&#173;tirely seden&#173;tary or&#173;ganisms can be seen to rapidly re&#173;li&#173;ably pro&#173;ceed to&#173;ward phys&#173;i&#173;cal niches to which they are fit. For some species with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetative_reproduction">veg&#173;e&#173;ta&#173;tive prop&#173;a&#173;ga&#173;tion</a> it may be more plain that this pro&#173;cess is car&#173;ried out by a &#8216;sin&#173;gle ac&#173;tor&#8217;<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a>, but it re&#173;sults in the same kind of &#8216;hill climb&#173;ing&#8217; (or &#8216;shaded fer&#173;tile valley seek&#173;ing&#8217; as the case may be), be&#173;cause it is es&#173;sen&#173;tially the same al&#173;gorithm.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A neural network asks a shocked tree: What's your favourite pruning algorithm?&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A neural network asks a shocked tree: What's your favourite pruning algorithm?" title="A neural network asks a shocked tree: What's your favourite pruning algorithm?" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XuBl!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F611a8c89-5ac6-4950-b1af-16ab52d457c9_2701x1920.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><h4>Why is plant de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion &#8216;more effi&#173;cient&#8217; than nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion?</h4><p>Notably, these con&#173;trol op&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tions, closely al&#173;gorith&#173;mi&#173;cally re&#173;lated to iter&#173;ated ge&#173;netic nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion, nev&#173;er&#173;the&#173;less op&#173;er&#173;ate much faster than ge&#173;netic nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion (they may take as lit&#173;tle as days to man&#173;i&#173;fest &#8216;large&#8217; re&#173;sults). <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/what-factors-go-into-strong-deliberation">Why might this be?</a></p><p>The ob&#173;vi&#173;ous way to &#8216;go faster&#8217; in an iter&#173;ated de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion pro&#173;cess is to have a shorter iter&#173;a&#173;tion cy&#173;cle, perform&#173;ing more iter&#173;a&#173;tions per time. This can ac&#173;count for some of the differ&#173;ence but not all. The other ob&#173;vi&#173;ous way to &#8216;do bet&#173;ter&#8217; is to eval&#173;u&#173;ate more pro&#173;pos&#173;als per iter&#173;a&#173;tion. Notably, nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion has high par&#173;allelism at its dis&#173;posal and of&#173;ten eval&#173;u&#173;ates <em>many more</em> pro&#173;pos&#173;als per step than do climb&#173;ing plants.</p><p>It is also im&#173;por&#173;tant to con&#173;sider the di&#173;men&#173;sion of the search space, which has im&#173;por&#173;tant bear&#173;ing on how tractable it is. The di&#173;men&#173;sion is straight&#173;for&#173;ward: ge&#173;netic nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion op&#173;er&#173;ates on a high-di&#173;men&#173;sional space, while plant climb&#173;ing and lo&#173;co&#173;mo&#173;tion op&#173;er&#173;ate on two or three di&#173;men&#173;sions, so it is sim&#173;ply eas&#173;ier for them to lo&#173;cate good solu&#173;tions by gen&#173;er&#173;at&#173;ing lo&#173;cal can&#173;di&#173;date pro&#173;pos&#173;als.</p><p>No&#173;tice, though, that lichen or mosses climb&#173;ing trees over time can be seen to in&#173;stan&#173;ti&#173;ate the same search, with similar pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ters, in the same di&#173;men&#173;sions as larger more so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;cated climb&#173;ing plants, but they achieve this much more slowly (but still fast by com&#173;par&#173;i&#173;son to nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion). So di&#173;men&#173;sion and iter&#173;a&#173;tion speed do not ap&#173;pear to tell the whole story.</p><p>Two other im&#173;por&#173;tant prop&#173;er&#173;ties to pay at&#173;ten&#173;tion to are sug&#173;gested by the al&#173;gorith&#173;mic break&#173;down de&#173;scribed pre&#173;vi&#173;ously. First, <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/propose">re&#173;lat&#173;ing to pro&#173;posal</a>, the fit of the <em>sam&#173;pling heuris&#173;tics</em> used in the de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion. Se&#173;cond, re&#173;lat&#173;ing to <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/promote">eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion</a>, the fidelity of these pro&#173;ce&#173;dures to track&#173;ing the ac&#173;tual tar&#173;get.</p><p>The fit of the sam&#173;pling heuris&#173;tics is very im&#173;por&#173;tant for tractabil&#173;ity: ge&#173;netic nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion gen&#173;er&#173;ates its pro&#173;pos&#173;als via some&#173;thing similar to sym&#173;met&#173;ri&#173;cal noise, lead&#173;ing to a lot of dead ends, wasted iter&#173;a&#173;tions, and even re&#173;peated or ap&#173;prox&#173;i&#173;mately-re&#173;peated com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tion. Moss-style mi&#173;gra&#173;tion up trees makes its pro&#173;pos&#173;als similarly nois&#173;ily. In con&#173;trast, ten&#173;dril growth of climb&#173;ing plants is both de&#173;cid&#173;edly bi&#173;ased (up&#173;ward) and has an ori&#173;en&#173;ta&#173;tion, hence a &#8216;mem&#173;ory&#8217;, yield&#173;ing a ten&#173;dency not to dou&#173;ble back on it&#173;self, at least lo&#173;cally (un&#173;less ex&#173;e&#173;cut&#173;ing a coil, which is a differ&#173;ent part of the al&#173;gorithm). It is also able to use <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phototropism">pho&#173;totropism</a> to fur&#173;ther heuris&#173;ti&#173;cally bias its search.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-11" href="#footnote-11" target="_self">11</a></p><p>Th&#173;ese sim&#173;ple but highly-fit heuris&#173;tic pro&#173;posal-sam&#173;pling bi&#173;ases, dis&#173;cov&#173;ered by nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion, the slow outer de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor, may largely ac&#173;count for the ev&#173;i&#173;dent effi&#173;ciency ad&#173;van&#173;tage of climb&#173;ing plants over less so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;cated pas&#173;sive climbers like moss and lichen.</p><h3>Colo&#173;nial organisms</h3><p>View&#173;ing in&#173;sect colonies (for ex&#173;am&#173;ple, ants) as ac&#173;tors, we can iden&#173;tify all of the in&#173;gre&#173;di&#173;ents of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion. The pat&#173;tern is, like with climb&#173;ing plants, struc&#173;turally similar to nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion, but once again with fit&#173;ter, more effi&#173;cient, sam&#173;pling heuris&#173;tics.</p><p>Con&#173;sider an ant colony for&#173;ag&#173;ing for food. The <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/propose">can&#173;di&#173;date pro&#173;pos&#173;als</a> are the paths taken by in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;u&#173;als or small groups of work&#173;ers. The <a href="/posts/u4BaLRK6mJJcvycEk#Promote/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tions</a> be&#173;gin with the guesses of those in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;u&#173;als (per&#173;haps aug&#173;mented by a mes&#173;sage-pass&#173;ing al&#173;gorithm) about the qual&#173;ity and quan&#173;tity of any foods they come across. The <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/act">prop&#173;erly pro&#173;mo&#173;tive</a> out&#173;come in&#173;volves <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandem_running">lay&#173;ing down chem&#173;i&#173;cal sig&#173;nals and tac&#173;tile in&#173;ter&#173;ac&#173;tions</a> which en&#173;courage at&#173;trac&#173;tive or aver&#173;sive be&#173;havi&#173;our by other work&#173;ers (and ad&#173;just other be&#173;havi&#173;oural pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ters). As an iter&#173;ated con&#173;trol pro&#173;ce&#173;dure, this rapidly re&#173;sults in dense lines of work&#173;ers fer&#173;ry&#173;ing the best and most plen&#173;tiful food back to the nest. Note that no in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;ual ant need be at all de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive for this to work<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-12" href="#footnote-12" target="_self">12</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/acb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Ant colony foragers head toward promising smells, locate a strawberry, mark the path, and soon a line of workers is routed toward the food source&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Ant colony foragers head toward promising smells, locate a strawberry, mark the path, and soon a line of workers is routed toward the food source" title="Ant colony foragers head toward promising smells, locate a strawberry, mark the path, and soon a line of workers is routed toward the food source" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XNk3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facb7fac4-3abd-4674-9064-882a0c1cda7f_2603x803.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This pro&#173;cess, again similarly-struc&#173;tured and with similar di&#173;men&#173;sion to the ten&#173;dril-climb&#173;ing al&#173;gorithm of some plants, is able to pro&#173;ceed even faster. From an al&#173;gorith&#173;mic point of view, this can be ex&#173;plained by the even fit&#173;ter sam&#173;pling heuris&#173;tics: for ex&#173;am&#173;ple, in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;ual ants have very strong senses of smell, which al&#173;lows the for&#173;ag&#173;ing party&#8217;s search to be very heav&#173;ily bi&#173;ased to&#173;ward promis&#173;ing lo&#173;ca&#173;tions. This bias is more pow&#173;er&#173;ful even than <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phototropism">pho&#173;totropism</a> ex&#173;hibited by plants, be&#173;cause smell is non&#173;lo&#173;cal. Another fac&#173;tor is the re&#173;source effi&#173;ciency of the state man&#173;age&#173;ment: plant climb&#173;ing al&#173;gorithms record state and pro&#173;mote can&#173;di&#173;dates by ac&#173;tual or&#173;ganism growth, while ant colonies ex&#173;e&#173;cute these parts of the al&#173;gorithm by leav&#173;ing much less re&#173;source-in&#173;ten&#173;sive pheromone trails.</p><h3>Prop&#173;erly de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial systems</h3><p>The most ob&#173;vi&#173;ous prop&#173;erly de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial sys&#173;tems are train&#173;ing and search <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_algorithm">al&#173;gorithms in&#173;spired by nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion</a>, in&#173;clud&#173;ing <a href="https://www.deepmind.com/blog/population-based-training-of-neural-networks">pop&#173;u&#173;la&#173;tion based train&#173;ing (PBT)</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroevolution">neu&#173;roevolu&#173;tion</a> for neu&#173;ral net&#173;works, all of which em&#173;ploy an iter&#173;ated proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor as a con&#173;trol pro&#173;cess to lo&#173;cate and pro&#173;mote com&#173;plex con&#173;figu&#173;ra&#173;tions which are found to score well against some tar&#173;get.</p><p>Train&#173;ing and search rou&#173;tines of&#173;ten also em&#173;ploy similar but <em>non</em> iter&#173;ated de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion, for ex&#173;am&#173;ple static hy&#173;per&#173;pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ter search and ran&#173;dom seed search. (Some&#173;times these them&#173;selves <a href="https://sciencedryad.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/grad-student-descent/">end up iter&#173;ated</a>.)</p><p>Other times, the de&#173;ployed arte&#173;fact it&#173;self is the proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor. Both value-based and policy-based RL con&#173;trol&#173;lers over dis&#173;crete ac&#173;tion spaces fall un&#173;der the prop&#173;erly-de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/act">Opt;Enact</a> de&#173;com&#173;po&#173;si&#173;tion in a very ba&#173;sic way. One could make a similar case for a dis&#173;crete clas&#173;sifi&#173;ca&#173;tion model which opts for a sin&#173;gle cat&#173;e&#173;gory at the last stage.</p><p>Cherry-pick&#173;ing from <em>re&#173;ac&#173;tive</em> gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tive mod&#173;els is an ex&#173;am&#173;ple of com&#173;pos&#173;ing a Promote func&#173;tion (in this case hu&#173;man judge&#173;ment!) with a re&#173;ac&#173;tive sys&#173;tem to boot&#173;strap a prop&#173;erly <em>de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive</em> sys&#173;tem. There are also au&#173;to&#173;mated ex&#173;am&#173;ples of this type of com&#173;po&#173;si&#173;tion and it is a very gen&#173;eral for&#173;mula for im&#173;prov&#173;ing de&#173;ci&#173;sion-mak&#173;ing<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-13" href="#footnote-13" target="_self">13</a>.</p><h4>Hard-coded vs learned deliberation</h4><p>All of the above&#173;men&#173;tioned ex&#173;am&#173;ples of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion in ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial sys&#173;tems have the de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion struc&#173;ture (com&#173;pos&#173;ing Propose, Promote and Act) coded in by the de&#173;sign&#173;ers.</p><ul><li><p>In the case of evolu&#173;tion&#173;ary al&#173;gorithms and PBT, pro&#173;pos&#173;als take the form of some <a href="https://sciencedryad.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/grad-student-descent/">care&#173;fully cho&#173;sen</a> lo&#173;cal &#8216;mu&#173;ta&#173;tion&#8217; heuris&#173;tics and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion is coded around some pro&#173;vided (per&#173;haps ap&#173;prox&#173;i&#173;mate) eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion or fit&#173;ness func&#173;tion.</p></li><li><p>In con&#173;tem&#173;po&#173;rary non-hi&#173;er&#173;ar&#173;chi&#173;cal RL with dis&#173;crete ac&#173;tion spaces<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-14" href="#footnote-14" target="_self">14</a>, the pro&#173;pos&#173;als con&#173;sist iden&#173;ti&#173;cally of fixed hard-coded analogues of the atomic ac&#173;tion space, the pro&#173;mo&#173;tion con&#173;sists of a (usu&#173;ally learned) <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/promote">Evaluate</a>, and <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/act">Opt;Enact</a> are hand-coded.</p><ul><li><p>Evaluate con&#173;sists of ei&#173;ther a (state-de&#173;pen&#173;dent) map&#173;ping from the atomic-ac&#173;tion-analogues to es&#173;ti&#173;mated util&#173;ity (ex&#173;pected re&#173;turn, or some similar ac&#173;tion-qual&#173;ity es&#173;ti&#173;mate, as in Q learn&#173;ing), or to (state-de&#173;pen&#173;dent) level-of-in&#173;tent to take the analo&#173;gous atomic ac&#173;tion (prob&#173;a&#173;bil&#173;ity or log&#173;its, as in policy gra&#173;di&#173;ent meth&#173;ods), both of which have V&#8838;R.</p></li><li><p>Opt trans&#173;lates these eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tions via hard-coded logic into a par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar sin&#173;gle choice of atomic-ac&#173;tion-analogue.</p></li><li><p>Enact ac&#173;tu&#173;ates that analogue in simu&#173;la&#173;tion or the real world.</p></li></ul></li></ul><p><a href="/posts/FkgsxrGf3QxhfLWHG/risks-from-learned-optimization-introduction">Risks from Learned Op&#173;ti&#173;miza&#173;tion</a> as well as prior and sub&#173;se&#173;quent dis&#173;cus&#173;sions ask ques&#173;tions about when we might ex&#173;pect to find &#8216;op&#173;ti&#173;miz&#173;ers&#8217; aris&#173;ing <em>with&#173;out</em> hard-cod&#173;ing them, and about what be&#173;havi&#173;ours and ca&#173;pa&#173;bil&#173;ities we should ex&#173;pect from them. Since we have iden&#173;ti&#173;fied <em>non-ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial</em> ex&#173;am&#173;ples of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion aris&#173;ing from the re&#173;fine&#173;ment or in&#173;ter&#173;ac&#173;tions be&#173;tween non-de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive sys&#173;tems, it seems rea&#173;son&#173;able to look for analo&#173;gies in our ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial sys&#173;tems. It re&#173;mains un&#173;clear whether any con&#173;tem&#173;po&#173;rary ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial sys&#173;tems have learned de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion.</p><p>Fur&#173;ther work could con&#173;sider the ques&#173;tion of learned op&#173;ti&#173;miza&#173;tion from the de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion lens, and sub&#173;se&#173;quent posts in this se&#173;quence will dis&#173;cuss where de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion comes from, as well as its man&#173;i&#173;fes&#173;ta&#173;tion at differ&#173;ent lev&#173;els of so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;ca&#173;tion.</p><h3>Parliaments</h3><p>Per&#173;haps rep&#173;re&#173;sent&#173;ing the pro&#173;to&#173;typ&#173;i&#173;cal &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion&#8217;, some mechanisms of demo&#173;cratic par&#173;li&#173;a&#173;ments illus&#173;trate de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion al&#173;gorithms at the level of mul&#173;ti&#173;ple in&#173;ter&#173;act&#173;ing hu&#173;mans.</p><p>Con&#173;sider a vote on some mo&#173;tion, pre&#173;ceded by a de&#173;bate. This is a <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/reactions">proper</a>, <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/promote">quasi-eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tive</a>, <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/act">op&#173;tive</a> de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion.</p><p>Even if the mo&#173;tion is in&#173;di&#173;visi&#173;ble and sin&#173;gu&#173;lar, there are still at least two pro&#173;pos&#173;als: en&#173;act the mo&#173;tion, or do not en&#173;act the mo&#173;tion. In other cases there may be more pro&#173;pos&#173;als. Th&#173;ese pro&#173;pos&#173;als are gen&#173;er&#173;ated and sur&#173;faced by hu&#173;mans within the pro&#173;cess by some means or other (which pre&#173;sum&#173;ably in&#173;volves its own de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion!).</p><p>The de&#173;bate, and the sen&#173;ti&#173;ments of the in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;u&#173;als par&#173;ti&#173;ci&#173;pat&#173;ing, are a pro&#173;tracted eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion mechanism over the pro&#173;pos&#173;als at hand.</p><p>The vote pre&#173;cip&#173;i&#173;tates the choice, typ&#173;i&#173;cally <em>opt&#173;ing</em> for some pro&#173;posal, which is then <em>en&#173;acted</em> into some de&#173;rived re&#173;al&#173;i&#173;sa&#173;tion by one or other or&#173;gan of the demo&#173;cratic sys&#173;tem. (Other pos&#173;si&#173;ble out&#173;comes to de&#173;bates are state up&#173;dates in the form of minds changed or doc&#173;u&#173;ments writ&#173;ten, and re-iter&#173;a&#173;tions with new or similar pro&#173;pos&#173;als, which is a more <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/act">prop&#173;erly pro&#173;mo&#173;tive</a> than op&#173;tive re&#173;sult.)</p><p>Par&#173;li&#173;a&#173;ments rarely per&#173;ma&#173;nently dis&#173;solve them&#173;selves (though their ac&#173;tions can lead to their dis&#173;solu&#173;tion), so should be seen as <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/iterated-deliberation-is-generalised-control">iter&#173;ated de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors</a>.</p><p>Often the pa&#173;ram&#173;e&#173;ters of a par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar par&#173;li&#173;a&#173;men&#173;tary ses&#173;sion are set by some in&#173;vok&#173;ing or&#173;gan, body, or in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;ual, mak&#173;ing a <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/recursive-deliberation-is-more-general-still">com&#173;plex of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors</a> which fit to&#173;gether in a larger demo&#173;cratic sys&#173;tem.</p><p>As in pre&#173;vi&#173;ous cases, the power of a par&#173;li&#173;a&#173;ment lies partly in pro&#173;duc&#173;ing &#8216;good&#8217; pro&#173;pos&#173;als, partly in <em>recog&#173;nis&#173;ing and pro&#173;mot&#173;ing</em> good pro&#173;pos&#173;als, and partly in the suit&#173;abil&#173;ity of its del&#173;e&#173;gate or&#173;gans to <em>ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;ately en&#173;act</em> its pro&#173;pos&#173;als. In the iter&#173;ated sense, be&#173;havi&#173;ours which pre&#173;cip&#173;i&#173;tate im&#173;prove&#173;ments to these ca&#173;pac&#173;i&#173;ties <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/i/136696968/convergent-instrumental-goals-and-recursive-deliberation">are in&#173;stru&#173;men&#173;tal</a>.</p><h2>A note on these al&#173;gorith&#173;mic assignments</h2><p>One may rightly opine that an as&#173;sign&#173;ment of a <em>par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar</em> al&#173;gorith&#173;mic ab&#173;strac&#173;tion to a sys&#173;tem, <a href="https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wuJpYLcMEBz4kcgAn/what-is-abstraction-1">hid&#173;ing the full and in&#173;tri&#173;cate de&#173;tail</a> of ev&#173;ery mov&#173;ing piece, must in&#173;volve some ul&#173;ti&#173;mately ar&#173;bi&#173;trary or sub&#173;jec&#173;tive choices. Per&#173;haps this un&#173;der&#173;mines the pre&#173;ced&#173;ing dis&#173;cus&#173;sion.</p><p>In&#173;deed, no ab&#173;strac&#173;tion can <a href="http://www.no-free-lunch.org/">work well in all cir&#173;cum&#173;stances</a>, but ab&#173;strac&#173;tions are nev&#173;er&#173;the&#173;less in&#173;escapably nec&#173;es&#173;sary tools to make rea&#173;son&#173;ing tractable in a world with bounded com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tional re&#173;sources. If an ant colony were trans&#173;ported to the sur&#173;face of the sun, there would rapidly be no sense in which it con&#173;tinued to carry out the pre&#173;vi&#173;ously-iden&#173;ti&#173;fied food-search&#173;ing al&#173;gorithm. In fact, the ab&#173;strac&#173;tion &#8216;ant&#8217; would cease to be use&#173;ful in the same in&#173;stant. But if the same colony were trans&#173;ported to many lo&#173;ca&#173;tions on the sur&#173;face of the Earth, or other rele&#173;vantly-similar hy&#173;po&#173;thet&#173;i&#173;cal places, the ab&#173;stract al&#173;gorithm iden&#173;ti&#173;fied above would con&#173;tinue to use&#173;fully pre&#173;dict out&#173;comes, in&#173;clud&#173;ing coun&#173;ter&#173;fac&#173;tu&#173;als (&#8216;what if I put some food here?&#8217;, &#8216;what if I move some ants there?&#8217; etc.), at least for some time, de&#173;pend&#173;ing on the fit&#173;ness of the colony&#8217;s al&#173;gorithm&#8217;s ab&#173;strac&#173;tions and heuris&#173;tics to the new en&#173;vi&#173;ron&#173;ment.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Ants on fire&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Ants on fire" title="Ants on fire" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p9yf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8c3b459c-d99f-4a91-8359-0c77a5390bd4_1288x1755.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>&#8216;Ant&#8217; and &#8216;ant colony&#8217; cease to be use&#173;ful de&#173;scrip&#173;tions in the con&#173;text of the sur&#173;face of the sun, but re&#173;main defen&#173;si&#173;ble sum&#173;mary de&#173;scrip&#173;tions on many parts of the sur&#173;face of the Earth. On the left a pho&#173;to&#173;graph of a mag&#173;nifi&#173;ca&#173;tion of the au&#173;thor&#8217;s gar&#173;den. On the right an artist&#8217;s im&#173;pres&#173;sion of the same ex&#173;per&#173;i&#173;ment on the sun. (The au&#173;thor was re&#173;gret&#173;tably un&#173;able to at&#173;tend for the lat&#173;ter ex&#173;per&#173;i&#173;ment.)</em></p><h2>Conclusion</h2><p>We&#8217;ve ex&#173;plored var&#173;i&#173;ous de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive sys&#173;tems (both proper and re&#173;ac&#173;tive), find&#173;ing them at many lev&#173;els of or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tion, from cells to democ&#173;ra&#173;cies. In sev&#173;eral cases we un&#173;cov&#173;ered novel in&#173;sights, such as com&#173;mon&#173;al&#173;ities be&#173;tween nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion, climb&#173;ing plants, and ant colonies, and the de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion ab&#173;strac&#173;tion fur&#173;ther en&#173;abled us to point to rele&#173;vant dis&#173;crep&#173;an&#173;cies de&#173;ter&#173;min&#173;ing the &#8216;strength&#8217; of some of these sys&#173;tems. Suitabil&#173;ity or fit&#173;ness of Propose ap&#173;pears at least as im&#173;por&#173;tant as that of Promote for de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion strength in many cases, ex&#173;em&#173;plified by the com&#173;par&#173;i&#173;son of nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion with gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent.</p><p>Var&#173;i&#173;ous de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive sys&#173;tems com&#173;prise in&#173;ter&#173;ac&#173;tions be&#173;tween mul&#173;ti&#173;ple de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors. Th&#173;ese can be seen emerg&#173;ing from the in&#173;ter&#173;ac&#173;tion be&#173;tween rel&#173;a&#173;tively ho&#173;mo&#173;ge&#173;neous sub&#173;de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors (as in colonies and mar&#173;kets), or in de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors giv&#173;ing rise to, or con&#173;di&#173;tion&#173;ing, other het&#173;ero&#173;ge&#173;neous del&#173;e&#173;gate de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors&#8217; be&#173;havi&#173;our (as in cel&#173;lu&#173;lar and mul&#173;ti&#173;cel&#173;lu&#173;lar life and bu&#173;reau&#173;cra&#173;cies).</p><p>Later posts will go into more depth about where de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tions come from, and also ex&#173;am&#173;ine some de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors which are more so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;cated, ei&#173;ther in how they ar&#173;range their del&#173;e&#173;ga&#173;tion or how they perform the key com&#173;po&#173;nents of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion. This in&#173;cludes some ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial sys&#173;tems as well as some of the more cog&#173;ni&#173;tively so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;cated and pow&#173;er&#173;ful be&#173;havi&#173;ours of an&#173;i&#173;mals and hu&#173;mans.</p><div><hr></div><p><em>Thanks to those who probed in con&#173;ver&#173;sa&#173;tion, and thanks to SERI for spon&#173;sor&#173;ing the re&#173;search time and mak&#173;ing those con&#173;ver&#173;sa&#173;tions pos&#173;si&#173;ble.</em></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>In some sense this re&#173;sem&#173;bles a train&#173;ing, val&#173;i&#173;da&#173;tion, and test data split, and in a similar way it gives me some con&#173;fi&#173;dence that the con&#173;cepts here have some ex&#173;plana&#173;tory power. The <em>real test</em> though is other peo&#173;ple at&#173;tempt&#173;ing to use the ideas or pro&#173;vid&#173;ing crit&#173;i&#173;cism.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I am not a chemist or physi&#173;cist but based on my rough un&#173;der&#173;stand&#173;ing of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_mechanics">molec&#173;u&#173;lar ther&#173;mo&#173;dy&#173;nam&#173;ics</a> and quan&#173;tum me&#173;chan&#173;ics, this might not quite be true, and it may be that there are in fact nigh-in&#173;finites&#173;i&#173;mal de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tions hap&#173;pen&#173;ing which &#8216;add up to&#8217; what looks like smooth re&#173;ac&#173;tions, in a similar way to the right kind of in&#173;finites&#173;i&#173;mal <a href="https://www.oliversourbut.net/posts/5XbBm6gkuSdMJy9DT/conditions-for-mathematical-equivalence-of-stochastic">nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion adding up to gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent</a>.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Bac&#173;te&#173;rial <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitching_motility">&#8216;twitch&#173;ing&#8217;</a> may be a coun&#173;terex&#173;am&#173;ple which in&#173;volves ba&#173;sic de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion; com&#173;pare be&#173;low dis&#173;cus&#173;sion of plant ten&#173;drils</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The iter&#173;a&#173;tion here ac&#173;tu&#173;ally comes from an outer weakly prop&#173;erly de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tive pro&#173;cess which always pro&#173;poses &#8216;step again&#8217; and &#8216;stop&#8217; and eval&#173;u&#173;ates these against some mea&#173;sure (e.g. val&#173;i&#173;da&#173;tion score, com&#173;pute bud&#173;get, some com&#173;bi&#173;na&#173;tion &#8230;). Usu&#173;ally &#8216;step again&#8217; is pro&#173;moted by de&#173;fault in a short-cir&#173;cuit loop to save com&#173;pute. This outer de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion is a con&#173;trol&#173;ler which del&#173;e&#173;gates most of its ac&#173;tion to the sin&#173;gle-step gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent re&#173;ac&#173;tion.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The heuris&#173;tic is pred&#173;i&#173;cated on the ex&#173;trin&#173;sic (hu&#173;man-de&#173;rived) ab&#173;strac&#173;tion, em&#173;piri&#173;cally of&#173;ten ap&#173;pli&#173;ca&#173;ble, that re&#173;peat&#173;edly mov&#173;ing, per&#173;haps nois&#173;ily, straight in the di&#173;rec&#173;tion of lo&#173;cal steep&#173;est de&#173;scent can of&#173;ten effec&#173;tively find <em>non-straight</em> paths to globally-low places.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Note that the &#8216;on av&#173;er&#173;age&#8217; claim takes a stochas&#173;tic <em>ex ante</em> model of fit&#173;ness as a la&#173;tent prop&#173;erty which is stochas&#173;ti&#173;cally re&#173;al&#173;ised in num&#173;bers of progeny. Nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion can be al&#173;ter&#173;na&#173;tively un&#173;der&#173;stood as just the <em>ex post</em> tau&#173;tol&#173;ogy that &#8216;things which in fact prop&#173;a&#173;gate in fact prop&#173;a&#173;gate&#8217;.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>It feels wrong to say this; I am in fact in awe of nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion. Per&#173;haps it is a sign of my own bias for in&#173;ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;ate an&#173;thro&#173;po&#173;mor&#173;phism that I feel the need to apol&#173;o&#173;gise for say&#173;ing harsh things about an emo&#173;tion&#173;less nat&#173;u&#173;ral force.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Ob&#173;serve two fas&#173;ci&#173;nat&#173;ing short time-lapse mon&#173;tages of these literal &#8216;tree searches&#8217; from Sir David At&#173;ten&#173;bor&#173;ough and the BBC at</p><ul><li><p>Life: Plants: Climb&#173;ing plants (<a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p005fptt">https://&#8203;&#8203;www.bbc.co.uk/&#8203;&#8203;pro&#173;grammes/&#8203;&#8203;p005fptt</a>)</p></li><li><p>The Pri&#173;vate Life of Plants: Climb&#173;ing Plants (<a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00lx6cl">https://&#8203;&#8203;www.bbc.co.uk/&#8203;&#8203;pro&#173;grammes/&#8203;&#8203;p00lx6cl</a>)</p></li></ul><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Note that the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_equation">Price equa&#173;tion</a> does not care whether a char&#173;ac&#173;ter&#173;is&#173;tic is de&#173;scribed by genes or some other in&#173;for&#173;ma&#173;tion-car&#173;ry&#173;ing at&#173;tribute</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillaria_ostoyae">&#8216;hu&#173;mon&#173;gous fun&#173;gus&#8217;</a>, pos&#173;si&#173;bly si&#173;mul&#173;ta&#173;neously the largest-span&#173;ning and most mas&#173;sive &#8216;sin&#173;gle or&#173;ganism&#8217; on Earth, falls in this cat&#173;e&#173;gory</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>It is less clear whether climb&#173;ing plants with ten&#173;dril ac&#173;tion have im&#173;proved <em>eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion</em> heuris&#173;tics vs moss-style mi&#173;gra&#173;tion, but cer&#173;tainly in both types these heuris&#173;tics track the tar&#173;get less nois&#173;ily than does re&#173;al&#173;ised-fit&#173;ness in nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-12" href="#footnote-anchor-12" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">12</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>That is not to say that an in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;ual par&#173;tak&#173;ing in this col&#173;lec&#173;tive al&#173;gorithm <em>can not</em> be de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive; a tribe of in&#173;di&#173;vi&#173;d&#173;u&#173;ally-de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive hu&#173;mans could also ex&#173;e&#173;cute this type of pro&#173;ce&#173;dure. The de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive al&#173;gorithm in this case just hap&#173;pens to be lo&#173;cated out&#173;side of any sin&#173;gle or&#173;ganism.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-13" href="#footnote-anchor-13" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">13</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>In gen&#173;eral, a good enough pro&#173;moter can ex&#173;pect to get a benefit of a few stan&#173;dard de&#173;vi&#173;a&#173;tions of qual&#173;ity from a pro&#173;poser this way, though there are rapidly diminish&#173;ing re&#173;turns on ex&#173;tra com&#173;pute spent.</p><p></p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-14" href="#footnote-anchor-14" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">14</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>For RL or other se&#173;quen&#173;tial con&#173;trol with <em>con&#173;tin&#173;u&#173;ous</em> ac&#173;tion spaces, ei&#173;ther the atomic-ac&#173;tion-analogues are dis&#173;cre&#173;tised or sam&#173;pled from a pre&#173;defined dis&#173;tri&#173;bu&#173;tion, in which case the same anal&#173;y&#173;sis ap&#173;plies, or the ac&#173;tion analogues are sam&#173;pled di&#173;rectly af&#173;ter a learned policy dis&#173;tri&#173;bu&#173;tion, in which case we have a learned <em>re&#173;ac&#173;tion</em>. Hier&#173;ar&#173;chi&#173;cal cases will be dis&#173;cussed in a later post.</p><p></p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Deliberation, Reactions, and Control]]></title><description><![CDATA[Tentative Definitions and a Restatement of Instrumental Convergence]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/deliberation-reactions-and-control-tentative-definitions-and</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/deliberation-reactions-and-control-tentative-definitions-and</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2022 17:25:45 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/674cc996-af09-4587-9e87-ddd0310b52d6_2563x1757.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This anal&#173;y&#173;sis is spec&#173;u&#173;la&#173;tive. The fram&#173;ing has been re&#173;fined in con&#173;ver&#173;sa&#173;tion and pri&#173;vate re&#173;flec&#173;tion and re&#173;search. To some ex&#173;tent it feels vac&#173;u&#173;ous, but at least valuable for fur&#173;ther re&#173;search and com&#173;mu&#173;ni&#173;ca&#173;tion.</em></p><p>A cluster of ques&#173;tions fun&#173;da&#173;men&#173;tal to many con&#173;cerns around risks from ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial sys&#173;tems re&#173;gard the con&#173;cepts of search, plan&#173;ning, and &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;ate&#173;ness&#8217;. How do these arise? What can we pre&#173;dict about their oc&#173;cur&#173;rence and their con&#173;se&#173;quences? How strong are they? What <em>are</em> they any&#173;way?</p><p>Here is laid out one part of a con&#173;cep&#173;tual de&#173;com&#173;po&#173;si&#173;tion which maps well onto many known sys&#173;tems and may al&#173;low fur&#173;ther work to&#173;wards an&#173;swer&#173;ing more of those ques&#173;tions. The am&#173;bi&#173;tion is to re&#173;ally <a href="/tag/gears-level">get at the heart</a> of what is al&#173;gorith&#173;mi&#173;cally hap&#173;pen&#173;ing in &#8216;op&#173;ti&#173;mis&#173;ing sys&#173;tems&#8217;, in&#173;clud&#173;ing hu&#173;mans, an&#173;i&#173;mals, al&#173;gorith&#173;mic op&#173;ti&#173;misers like SGD, and con&#173;tem&#173;po&#173;rary and fu&#173;ture com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tional arte&#173;facts. That said, I do not have any priv&#173;ileged in&#173;sight into the source code (or its proper in&#173;ter&#173;pre&#173;ta&#173;tion!) for the ex&#173;am&#173;ples dis&#173;cussed, so while this fram&#173;ing has already gen&#173;er&#173;ated new in&#173;sights for me, it may or may not be &#8216;the ac&#173;tual al&#173;gorith&#173;mic truth&#8217;.</p><p>We start with the anal&#173;y&#173;sis: a defi&#173;ni&#173;tion of &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion&#8217; and its com&#173;po&#173;nents, then of &#8216;re&#173;ac&#173;tions&#8217; and &#8216;con&#173;trol&#8217;. Next we con&#173;sider, in light of these, what makes a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor or con&#173;trol&#173;ler &#8216;good&#8217;. We find con&#173;cep&#173;tual con&#173;nec&#173;tions with dis&#173;cus&#173;sions of <a href="/tag/instrumental-convergence">in&#173;stru&#173;men&#173;tal con&#173;ver&#173;gence</a>. Lit&#173;tle at&#173;ten&#173;tion is given here to <em>how to de&#173;ter&#173;mine</em> what the goals are, which is ob&#173;vi&#173;ously also im&#173;por&#173;tant.</p><p>Th&#173;ese con&#173;cepts were gen&#173;er&#173;ated by con&#173;tem&#173;plat&#173;ing var&#173;i&#173;ous as&#173;pects of many differ&#173;ent goal-di&#173;rected sys&#173;tems and pul&#173;ling out com&#173;mon&#173;al&#173;ities.</p><p><strong>Some read&#173;ers may pre&#173;fer to start with <a href="/posts/5GzqD7fgtxjepPERp/deliberation-everywhere-simple-examples">the ex&#173;am&#173;ples</a></strong>, which in&#173;clude an&#173;i&#173;mals, plants, nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion, gra&#173;di&#173;ent de&#173;scent, bu&#173;reau&#173;cra&#173;cies, and oth&#173;ers. Here in the con&#173;cep&#173;tual sec&#173;tion I&#8217;ll foot&#173;note par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;larly rele&#173;vant con&#173;crete ex&#173;am&#173;ples where I an&#173;ti&#173;ci&#173;pate them helping to con&#173;vey my point.</p><p>A full treat&#173;ment is ab&#173;sent, but two ma&#173;jor defer&#173;ences to <a href="/tag/embedded-agency">em&#173;bed&#173;ded agency</a> un&#173;der&#173;lie this anal&#173;y&#173;sis. A <a href="https://arbital.greaterwrong.com/p/cartesian_agent/">Carte&#173;sian sep&#173;a&#173;ra&#173;tion</a> need not be as&#173;sumed, ex&#173;cept <a href="/posts/HiufALieNbWHqR9en/you-only-get-one-shot-an-intuition-pump-for-embedded-agency">over &#8216;ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ments&#8217; rather than tem&#173;po&#173;rally-ex&#173;tended &#8216;ac&#173;tors&#8217;</a>. And a ma&#173;jor driver for this se&#173;quence is a fun&#173;da&#173;men&#173;tal recog&#173;ni&#173;tion that any goal-di&#173;rected be&#173;havi&#173;our in&#173;stan&#173;ti&#173;ated in the real world must have bounded com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tional ca&#173;pac&#173;ity per time<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-1"><sup>[1]</sup></a>.</p><h2>In&#173;spira&#173;tion and related</h2><p>My (very brief) <a href="/posts/HiufALieNbWHqR9en/you-only-get-one-shot-an-intuition-pump-for-embedded-agency">&#8216;Only One Shot&#8217; in&#173;tu&#173;ition pump for em&#173;bed&#173;ded agency</a> may help to con&#173;vey some back&#173;ground as&#173;sump&#173;tions (es&#173;pe&#173;cially re&#173;gard&#173;ing how time and ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ments fit into this pic&#173;ture).</p><p>Scott Garrabrant&#8217;s <a href="/posts/qhsELHzAHFebRJE59/a-greater-than-b-greater-than-a">(A&#8594;B)&#8594;A</a> talks about &#8216;agency&#8217; and &#8216;do&#173;ing things on pur&#173;pose&#8217;. I&#8217;m try&#173;ing to un&#173;pack that fur&#173;ther. The (open) ques&#173;tion <a href="/posts/osxNg6yBCJ4ur9hpi/does-agent-like-behavior-imply-agent-like-architecture">Does Agent-like Be&#173;havi&#173;our Im&#173;ply Agent-like Ar&#173;chi&#173;tec&#173;ture?</a> is re&#173;lated and I hope for the per&#173;spec&#173;tive here to be use&#173;ful to&#173;ward an&#173;swer&#173;ing that ques&#173;tion.</p><p>Alex Flint&#8217;s ex&#173;cel&#173;lent piece <a href="https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts">The ground of op&#173;ti&#173;miza&#173;tion</a> in&#173;forms some of the per&#173;spec&#173;tive here, es&#173;pe&#173;cially a fo&#173;cus on <em>scope of gen&#173;er&#173;al&#173;i&#173;sa&#173;tion</em> and <em>ro&#173;bust&#173;ness to per&#173;tur&#173;ba&#173;tion</em>.</p><p>Daniel Filan&#8217;s <a href="/posts/26eupx3Byc8swRS7f/bottle-caps-aren-t-optimisers">Bot&#173;tle Caps Aren&#8217;t Op&#173;ti&#173;misers</a> and Abram Dem&#173;ski&#8217;s <a href="/posts/ZDZmopKquzHYPRNxq/selection-vs-control">Selec&#173;tion vs Con&#173;trol</a> be&#173;gin dis&#173;cussing the <em>al&#173;gorith&#173;mic in&#173;ter&#173;nals</em> of op&#173;ti&#173;mis&#173;ing sys&#173;tems, which is the in&#173;tent here also. <a href="/posts/FkgsxrGf3QxhfLWHG/risks-from-learned-optimization-introduction">Risks from Learned Op&#173;ti&#173;miza&#173;tion</a> is of course rele&#173;vant.</p><p>John Went&#173;worth&#8217;s dis&#173;cus&#173;sions of <em><a href="/tag/abstraction">ab&#173;strac&#173;tion</a></em> (for ex&#173;am&#173;ple <a href="/posts/wuJpYLcMEBz4kcgAn/what-is-abstraction-1">What is Ab&#173;strac&#173;tion?</a>) es&#173;pe&#173;cially with re&#173;gards its pre&#173;dic&#173;tive prop&#173;er&#173;ties for a non-om&#173;ni&#173;scient com&#173;puter, are cen&#173;tral to the no&#173;tion of ab&#173;strac&#173;tion em&#173;ployed here. Re&#173;lated are the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_regulator">good</a> and <a href="/posts/Dx9LoqsEh3gHNJMDk/fixing-the-good-regulator-theorem">gooder</a> reg&#173;u&#173;la&#173;tor the&#173;o&#173;rems, which touch closely com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tion&#173;ally up&#173;stream of the as&#173;pects dis&#173;cussed here while mak&#173;ing fewer con&#173;ces&#173;sions to em&#173;bed&#173;ded agency.</p><h2>Definitions</h2><h3>Deliberation</h3><p>A <em>de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion</em> is any part of a de&#173;ci&#173;sion al&#173;gorithm which com&#173;poses the following</p><ul><li><p>Propose: gen&#173;er&#173;ate can&#173;di&#173;date proposals</p></li><li><p>Promote: pro&#173;mote and de&#173;mote pro&#173;pos&#173;als ac&#173;cord&#173;ing to some criterion</p></li><li><p>Act: take out&#173;come of pro&#173;mo&#173;tion and de&#173;mo&#173;tion to ac&#173;tivity in the environment</p></li></ul><p>tak&#173;ing place over <a href="/posts/HiufALieNbWHqR9en/you-only-get-one-shot-an-intuition-pump-for-embedded-agency">one &#8216;mo&#173;ment&#8217;</a> (as de&#173;ter&#173;mined by the par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar al&#173;gorith&#173;mic em&#173;bod&#173;i&#173;ment).</p><p>Some in&#173;stances may fuse some of these com&#173;po&#173;nents to&#173;gether.</p><h4>Propose</h4><p>A de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion needs to be <em>about some&#173;thing</em>. Can&#173;di&#173;date pro&#173;pos&#173;als X do not come from nowhere; some state S is mapped to a dis&#173;tri&#173;bu&#173;tion over nonempty pro&#173;posal-col&#173;lec&#173;tions (there must be at least one can&#173;di&#173;date pro&#173;posal<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-2"><sup>[2]</sup></a>). Pro&#173;pos&#173;als cor&#173;re&#173;spond in some way to ac&#173;tions, but need not <em>be</em> ac&#173;tions or be one-to-one with them<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-3"><sup>[3]</sup></a> - more on this un&#173;der Act.<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-4"><sup>[4]</sup></a></p><p>Propose:S&#8594;&#916;{X}nonempty</p><p>Note one pat&#173;tern for achiev&#173;ing this is to sam&#173;ple one or more times from</p><p>ProposeOne:S&#8594;&#916;X</p><p>and similarly tak&#173;ing the union of sev&#173;eral pro&#173;posal-col&#173;lec&#173;tions could be a pro&#173;posal-col&#173;lec&#173;tion in some cases.</p><p>Some in&#173;stan&#173;ti&#173;a&#173;tions may have a fixed set of pro&#173;pos&#173;als, while oth&#173;ers may be flex&#173;ible.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Propose: robot considers proposals of throwing ice cream or throwing grenade&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Propose: robot considers proposals of throwing ice cream or throwing grenade" title="Propose: robot considers proposals of throwing ice cream or throwing grenade" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9yDb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbc0ac444-c0a4-45fe-a2b7-b087625acee7_2563x1757.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>Pro&#173;pose: robot con&#173;sid&#173;ers pro&#173;pos&#173;als re&#173;lat&#173;ing to the con&#173;cepts of de&#173;liv&#173;er&#173;ing ice cream or de&#173;liv&#173;er&#173;ing grenade (NB this image con&#173;veys a sub&#173;stan&#173;tial world model and pro&#173;pos&#173;als cor&#173;re&#173;spond&#173;ing closely to plans of ac&#173;tion, but this is merely one em&#173;bod&#173;i&#173;ment of the de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion frame&#173;work and not defini&#173;tive)</em></p><h4>Promote</h4><p>Given a col&#173;lec&#173;tion of pro&#173;pos&#173;als, a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive pro&#173;cess pro&#173;duces some pro&#173;mo&#173;tion/&#8203;de&#173;mo&#173;tion weight&#173;ing V for each pro&#173;posal. This may also de&#173;pend on state.<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-5"><sup>[5]</sup></a></p><p>Promote:S&#8594;{X}&#8594;{V}</p><p>In many in&#173;stan&#173;ti&#173;a&#173;tions it makes sense to treat the weight&#173;ing as a sim&#173;ple real scalar V=R<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-6"><sup>[6]</sup></a>.</p><p>Many in&#173;stan&#173;ti&#173;a&#173;tions may es&#173;sen&#173;tially map an eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion over the proposals</p><p>Evaluate:S&#8594;X&#8594;V</p><p>ei&#173;ther se&#173;ri&#173;ally or in par&#173;allel. This sug&#173;gests &#8216;eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tive&#8217; as a use&#173;ful ad&#173;jec&#173;tive to de&#173;scribe such pro&#173;cesses.</p><p>Other in&#173;stan&#173;ti&#173;a&#173;tions may in&#173;volve the whole col&#173;lec&#173;tion of pro&#173;pos&#173;als, for ex&#173;am&#173;ple by a com&#173;par&#173;a&#173;tive sort&#173;ing-like pro&#173;ce&#173;dure with&#173;out any in&#173;ter&#173;me&#173;di&#173;ate eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion.<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-7"><sup>[7]</sup></a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Promote: robot evaluates proposals of throwing ice cream or grenade respectively, promoting ice cream and demoting grenade&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Promote: robot evaluates proposals of throwing ice cream or grenade respectively, promoting ice cream and demoting grenade" title="Promote: robot evaluates proposals of throwing ice cream or grenade respectively, promoting ice cream and demoting grenade" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DFkz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa895b954-5d4c-4f2c-add0-995b99d4b0fe_2593x1752.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>Pro&#173;mote: robot</em> eval&#173;u&#173;ates <em>pro&#173;pos&#173;als of throw&#173;ing ice cream or grenade re&#173;spec&#173;tively, pro&#173;mot&#173;ing ice cream and de&#173;mot&#173;ing grenade</em></p><h4>Act</h4><p>A de&#173;ci&#173;sion al&#173;gorithm even&#173;tu&#173;ally acts in its en&#173;vi&#173;ron&#173;ment. In this anal&#173;y&#173;sis, that means tak&#173;ing pro&#173;mo&#173;tion-weighted pro&#173;pos&#173;als and trans&#173;lat&#173;ing them, via some ma&#173;chin&#173;ery, into ac&#173;tivity A.</p><p>Act:{X&#215;V}&#8594;A</p><p>In many cases pro&#173;pos&#173;als may cor&#173;re&#173;spond closely as pre&#173;cur&#173;sors to par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar ac&#173;tions or plans. Pro&#173;mo&#173;tion may then cor&#173;re&#173;spond to prefer&#173;ence over plans, in which case ac&#173;tion may ap&#173;prox&#173;i&#173;mately de&#173;com&#173;pose as Opt:{X&#215;V}&#8594;X and Enact:X&#8594;A i.e. a se&#173;lec&#173;tion of an ac&#173;tion, plan, or policy, which is then car&#173;ried out<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-8"><sup>[8]</sup></a>. Let&#8217;s ten&#173;ta&#173;tively call such sys&#173;tems &#8216;op&#173;tive&#8217;. Enact may in&#173;volve sig&#173;nal&#173;ling or oth&#173;er&#173;wise in&#173;vok&#173;ing other (re&#173;ac&#173;tive or proper) de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tions!</p><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Act-optive: robot's evaluation leads to opting to give ice cream, which is a precursor to subsequent motor enaction giving ice cream&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Act-optive: robot's evaluation leads to opting to give ice cream, which is a precursor to subsequent motor enaction giving ice cream" title="Act-optive: robot's evaluation leads to opting to give ice cream, which is a precursor to subsequent motor enaction giving ice cream" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ySDN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F24d8ce71-1b3c-4e9f-86f9-a7520b61d033_1699x1587.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><p><em>Act-op&#173;tive: robot&#8217;s eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tion and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion leads to</em> opt&#173;ing <em>to give ice cream, which is a pre&#173;cur&#173;sor to sub&#173;se&#173;quent mo&#173;tor</em> en&#173;ac&#173;tion, <em>giv&#173;ing ice cream. Mean&#173;while the robot may or may not be perform&#173;ing new de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tions.</em></p><p>More gen&#173;er&#173;ally, pro&#173;pos&#173;als may cor&#173;re&#173;spond to con&#173;figu&#173;ra&#173;tions, and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion to weight&#173;ing-ad&#173;just&#173;ment be&#173;tween those con&#173;figu&#173;ra&#173;tions, which play out as ac&#173;tivity. We might call such sys&#173;tems &#8216;(prop&#173;erly) pro&#173;mo&#173;tive&#8217; in con&#173;trast to &#8216;op&#173;tive&#8217;<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-9"><sup>[9]</sup></a>.</p><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/aa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Act-promotive: robot's promotion and demotion of plans produces mostly 'internal' updates to its plans&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Act-promotive: robot's promotion and demotion of plans produces mostly 'internal' updates to its plans" title="Act-promotive: robot's promotion and demotion of plans produces mostly 'internal' updates to its plans" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2gMb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8d5c97-b6c9-4465-97e5-fcd71d8dabf3_2344x1594.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><p><em>Act-pro&#173;mo&#173;tive: robot&#8217;s pro&#173;mo&#173;tion and de&#173;mo&#173;tion of plans pro&#173;duces mostly &#8216;in&#173;ter&#173;nal&#8217; up&#173;dates to its plans</em></p><h3>Reactions</h3><p>A re&#173;ac&#173;tion is any de&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;ate de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion with iden&#173;ti&#173;cally one can&#173;di&#173;date pro&#173;posal. In this case the Promote step is triv&#173;ial or ves&#173;ti&#173;gial, and ac&#173;tion is effec&#173;tively fused with the other steps.</p><p>In some sense, al&#173;low&#173;ing for de&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;ate cases of &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion&#8217; means that this al&#173;gorith&#173;mic ab&#173;strac&#173;tion ap&#173;plies to es&#173;sen&#173;tially ev&#173;ery&#173;thing (e.g. a rock is a re&#173;ac&#173;tive de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor which always pro&#173;poses &#8216;do the thing a rock would&#8217;).</p><p>The im&#173;por&#173;tant thing is that this ab&#173;strac&#173;tion al&#173;lows us to analyse and con&#173;trast <em>non</em> re&#173;ac&#173;tive &#8216;proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors&#8217; with a use&#173;ful de&#173;com&#173;po&#173;si&#173;tion, as well as to iden&#173;tify and rea&#173;son about more &#8216;in&#173;ter&#173;est&#173;ing&#8217; and less vac&#173;u&#173;ous re&#173;ac&#173;tions<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-10"><sup>[10]</sup></a> (while still iden&#173;ti&#173;fy&#173;ing them as such). e.g. &#8216;Where did this re&#173;ac&#173;tion come from?&#8217;, &#8216;What heuris&#173;tics/&#8203;ab&#173;strac&#173;tions is it (im&#173;plic&#173;itly) us&#173;ing for pro&#173;pos&#173;als?&#8217;, &#8216;How might this re&#173;ac&#173;tion com&#173;bine with other sys&#173;tems and could proper de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion emerge?&#8217;, &#8216;What de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion(s) does this re&#173;ac&#173;tion ap&#173;prox&#173;i&#173;mate?&#8217;.</p><h2>Iter&#173;ated de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion is gen&#173;er&#173;al&#173;ised control</h2><p>A de&#173;ci&#173;sion al&#173;gorithm even&#173;tu&#173;ally pro&#173;duces ac&#173;tivity in the en&#173;vi&#173;ron&#173;ment. Any such ac&#173;tivity <a href="/posts/HiufALieNbWHqR9en#Only_one_shot/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">di&#173;rectly or in&#173;di&#173;rectly al&#173;ters</a> the rele&#173;vant al&#173;gorith&#173;mic state of the pro&#173;cess, from triv&#173;ial ther&#173;mal noise up to and in&#173;clud&#173;ing ter&#173;mi&#173;na&#173;tion (or mod&#173;ifi&#173;ca&#173;tion to some other al&#173;gorith&#173;mic form).</p><p>In many cases, the ac&#173;tivity typ&#173;i&#173;cally pre&#173;serves the es&#173;sen&#173;tial al&#173;gorith&#173;mic form and it may be ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;ate to analyse the al&#173;gorithm as be&#173;ing re&#173;cur&#173;rent or iter&#173;ated, per&#173;haps with an ap&#173;prox&#173;i&#173;mate Carte&#173;sian sep&#173;a&#173;ra&#173;tion from its en&#173;vi&#173;ron&#173;ment&#8212;the ac&#173;tion has some com&#173;po&#173;nent play&#173;ing out in the world (which up&#173;dates and pro&#173;vides new in&#173;puts) and some com&#173;po&#173;nent fold&#173;ing into a priv&#173;ileged part of the world cor&#173;re&#173;spond&#173;ing to the al&#173;gorithm&#8217;s &#8216;in&#173;ter&#173;nal state&#8217;. In&#173;deed, in many so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;cated de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors, the most pow&#173;er&#173;ful effect<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-11"><sup>[11]</sup></a> may be on the state or con&#173;di&#173;tion (or ex&#173;is&#173;tence!) of sub&#173;se&#173;quent de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion(s) and <a href="/posts/HiufALieNbWHqR9en/you-only-get-one-shot-an-intuition-pump-for-embedded-agency">ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ments</a>.</p><p>A sys&#173;tem whose ac&#173;tivity and situ&#173;a&#173;tion in the en&#173;vi&#173;ron&#173;ment <em>pre&#173;serve the es&#173;sen&#173;tial out&#173;line</em> of its de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion al&#173;gorithm (per&#173;haps with state up&#173;dates) de-facto in&#173;vokes a re-iter&#173;a&#173;tion of the same (or re&#173;lated) de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion pro&#173;ce&#173;dure. This gives rise to iter&#173;ated de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion, which in this anal&#173;y&#173;sis is syn&#173;ony&#173;mous with con&#173;trol<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-12"><sup>[12]</sup></a>.</p><p>A ba&#173;sic &#8216;re&#173;ac&#173;tive&#8217; con&#173;trol&#173;ler is a sys&#173;tem which performs de&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;ate, re&#173;ac&#173;tive de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion, but which is (es&#173;sen&#173;tially) pre&#173;served by its ac&#173;tions, giv&#173;ing rise to an iter&#173;ated re&#173;ac&#173;tion, a rel&#173;a&#173;tively clas&#173;sic con&#173;trol sys&#173;tem.</p><p>A (prop&#173;erly) de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive con&#173;trol&#173;ler is a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive sys&#173;tem gen&#173;er&#173;at&#173;ing mul&#173;ti&#173;ple pro&#173;pos&#173;als while be&#173;ing (es&#173;sen&#173;tially) pre&#173;served by its ac&#173;tions, giv&#173;ing rise to a (prop&#173;erly) de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive con&#173;trol sys&#173;tem.</p><p>Note that in this sense, what might be con&#173;sid&#173;ered a sin&#173;gle or&#173;ganism gen&#173;er&#173;ally con&#173;sists of mul&#173;ti&#173;ple con&#173;trol&#173;lers (re&#173;ac&#173;tions or oth&#173;er&#173;wise), and mul&#173;ti&#173;ple or&#173;ganisms taken to&#173;gether may com&#173;prise one con&#173;trol&#173;ler. Like&#173;wise an ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial ac&#173;tor may com&#173;prise mul&#173;ti&#173;ple de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive and re&#173;ac&#173;tive com&#173;po&#173;nents, and a sys&#173;tem of mul&#173;ti&#173;ple ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial ac&#173;tors may com&#173;pose to a sin&#173;gle de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive pro&#173;cess. The rele&#173;vant ob&#173;ject of anal&#173;y&#173;sis is the al&#173;gorithm.</p><h3>Re&#173;cur&#173;sive de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion is more gen&#173;eral still</h3><p>Just as the out&#173;come of a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ment may re&#173;sult in zero (ter&#173;mi&#173;nated) or one (iter&#173;ated) in&#173;vo&#173;ca&#173;tions of rele&#173;vantly-similar fu&#173;ture ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ments, there is no rea&#173;son why there should not be a vari&#173;able num&#173;ber some&#173;times more than one (ho&#173;mo&#173;ge&#173;neous re&#173;cur&#173;sive).</p><p>We ob&#173;serve replica&#173;tive ex&#173;am&#173;ples through&#173;out na&#173;ture, as is to be ex&#173;pected in a world where nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion some&#173;times works.</p><p>As well as in&#173;vok&#173;ing mul&#173;ti&#173;ple copies of &#8216;it&#173;self&#8217; (or rele&#173;vantly-similar al&#173;gorithms) through its ac&#173;tions, as in repli&#173;ca&#173;tion, a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor may in&#173;voke, cre&#173;ate, or oth&#173;er&#173;wise con&#173;di&#173;tion other het&#173;ero&#173;ge&#173;neous de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors, as in del&#173;e&#173;ga&#173;tion (het&#173;ero&#173;ge&#173;neous re&#173;cur&#173;sive). (In fact repli&#173;ca&#173;tion per se is usu&#173;ally not atomic, and goes via other in&#173;ter&#173;me&#173;di&#173;ate pro&#173;cesses.) In&#173;vo&#173;ca&#173;tion or con&#173;di&#173;tion&#173;ing of het&#173;ero&#173;ge&#173;neous de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors is what hu&#173;mans and an&#173;i&#173;mals do when lo&#173;co&#173;mot&#173;ing, for ex&#173;am&#173;ple<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-13"><sup>[13]</sup></a>, and what some robotics ap&#173;pli&#173;ca&#173;tions do when del&#173;e&#173;gat&#173;ing ac&#173;tu&#173;a&#173;tion to clas&#173;si&#173;cal con&#173;trol mechanisms like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servomotor">ser&#173;vo&#173;mo&#173;tors</a>. It&#8217;s also what we see in bu&#173;reau&#173;cra&#173;cies and colonies of var&#173;i&#173;ous con&#173;struc&#173;tions and scales, from <a href="/posts/5GzqD7fgtxjepPERp#Genes_and_systems_producing_systems/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">cells</a> to <a href="/posts/5GzqD7fgtxjepPERp#Colonial_organisms/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">ant nests</a> to <a href="/posts/5GzqD7fgtxjepPERp#Parliaments/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">democ&#173;ra&#173;cies</a>.</p><h2>What fac&#173;tors go into strong de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion?</h2><p>Qual&#173;ity of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion de&#173;pends on the fit&#173;ness<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-14"><sup>[14]</sup></a> of the ab&#173;strac&#173;tions and heuris&#173;tics which the al&#173;gorith&#173;mic com&#173;po&#173;nents de&#173;pend on, as well as the amount of com&#173;pute bud&#173;get con&#173;sumed. Th&#173;ese are the raw fac&#173;tors of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion.</p><p>So a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor whose Propose gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tors make bet&#173;ter sug&#173;ges&#173;tions (rel&#173;a&#173;tive to some goal or refer&#173;ence) is <em>ce&#173;teris paribus</em> stronger (for that goal or refer&#173;ence). Like&#173;wise a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor whose Promote al&#173;gorithm more closely tracks re&#173;al&#173;ity rele&#173;vant to its goal (is bet&#173;ter fit), or a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor which can gen&#173;er&#173;ate and eval&#173;u&#173;ate more pro&#173;pos&#173;als with a given com&#173;pute bud&#173;get. We might ex&#173;pect good de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors to &#8216;model&#8217; the goal-rele&#173;vant as&#173;pects of their en&#173;vi&#173;ron&#173;ment as pre&#173;cur&#173;sors to the state S used in pro&#173;posal and pro&#173;mo&#173;tion<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-15"><sup>[15]</sup></a>.</p><p><a href="http://www.no-free-lunch.org/">No model is cor&#173;rect in all situ&#173;a&#173;tions</a> but some are more effec&#173;tive than oth&#173;ers over a wider range of &#8216;nat&#173;u&#173;ral&#8217; situ&#173;a&#173;tions. In sub&#173;se&#173;quent posts this fram&#173;ing is used to ex&#173;am&#173;ine some real ex&#173;am&#173;ples, lo&#173;cat&#173;ing some rele&#173;vant ways their ab&#173;strac&#173;tions are more or less fit, and some con&#173;se&#173;quences of this. Im&#173;por&#173;tantly, qual&#173;ity of Propose gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tors is em&#173;pha&#173;sised<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-16"><sup>[16]</sup></a>.</p><p>Quan&#173;tify&#173;ing the <em>mag&#173;ni&#173;tude</em> of the above&#173;men&#173;tioned <em>ce&#173;teris paribus</em> de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion im&#173;prove&#173;ments is im&#173;por&#173;tant, es&#173;pe&#173;cially in the con&#173;text of mul&#173;ti&#173;ple com&#173;pet&#173;ing or col&#173;lab&#173;o&#173;rat&#173;ing de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors, but this is not at&#173;tempted in de&#173;tail here.</p><h2>Con&#173;ver&#173;gent in&#173;stru&#173;men&#173;tal goals and re&#173;cur&#173;sive deliberation</h2><p>In light of the de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion fram&#173;ing, and fo&#173;cus&#173;ing on the po&#173;ten&#173;tial for <em>iter&#173;ated or re&#173;cur&#173;sive</em> de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion, we can restate and per&#173;haps sharpen the <a href="/tag/instrumental-convergence">con&#173;ver&#173;gence of in&#173;stru&#173;men&#173;tal goals</a> in these terms.</p><p>A de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor is a sin&#173;gle <a href="/posts/HiufALieNbWHqR9en/you-only-get-one-shot-an-intuition-pump-for-embedded-agency">ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ment</a>, finitely ca&#173;pa&#173;ble and nei&#173;ther log&#173;i&#173;cally nor em&#173;piri&#173;cally om&#173;ni&#173;scient.</p><p>For a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor ori&#173;ented to di&#173;rec&#173;tions or goals which <em>can not re&#173;li&#173;ably be defini&#173;tively achieved</em> in a sin&#173;gle round of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion, or goals more gen&#173;er&#173;ally for which <em>greater suc&#173;cess can be ex&#173;pected</em> by sub&#173;se&#173;quent re&#173;fine&#173;ment of ac&#173;tion, pro&#173;pos&#173;als and ac&#173;tions <em>which pre&#173;cip&#173;i&#173;tate the ex&#173;is&#173;tence and em&#173;pow&#173;er&#173;ment</em> of similarly-ori&#173;ented de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ments can be ex&#173;pected <em>ce&#173;teris paribus</em> to achieve greater suc&#173;cess.</p><p>In this fram&#173;ing, &#8216;self-preser&#173;va&#173;tion&#8217; and &#8216;goal-con&#173;tent in&#173;tegrity&#8217; are spe&#173;cial cases of &#8216;push&#173;ing the fu&#173;ture to con&#173;tain rele&#173;vantly-similarly-ori&#173;ented de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ments&#8217;<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-17"><sup>[17]</sup></a>. Other in&#173;stan&#173;ti&#173;a&#173;tions of this in&#173;clude &#8216;repli&#173;cat&#173;ing&#8217;. The pro&#173;to&#173;typ&#173;i&#173;cal cases from na&#173;ture are sys&#173;tems which do one or both of <em>per&#173;sist&#173;ing</em> in rele&#173;vantly al&#173;gorith&#173;mi&#173;cally similar form (e.g. or&#173;ganisms hav&#173;ing non&#173;triv&#173;ial lifes&#173;pans or en&#173;zymes and cat&#173;a&#173;lysts be&#173;ing un&#173;trans&#173;formed), and <em>repli&#173;cat&#173;ing or re&#173;pro&#173;duc&#173;ing</em> rele&#173;vantly al&#173;gorith&#173;mi&#173;cally similar forms (e.g. ge&#173;netic el&#173;e&#173;ments and sim&#173;pler au&#173;to&#173;cat&#173;a&#173;lysts di&#173;rectly or in&#173;di&#173;rectly in&#173;vok&#173;ing copies to be made, or or&#173;ganisms pro&#173;duc&#173;ing offspring). As noted pre&#173;vi&#173;ously we also see cases of del&#173;e&#173;ga&#173;tion to het&#173;ero&#173;ge&#173;neous de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors ei&#173;ther by con&#173;di&#173;tion&#173;ing or whole&#173;sale cre&#173;ation.</p><p>Now, once we recog&#173;nise a class of de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor which does well by (at least some&#173;times) in&#173;vok&#173;ing rele&#173;vantly-similarly-ori&#173;ented de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive fu&#173;ture ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ments (whether by per&#173;sis&#173;tence, repli&#173;ca&#173;tion, or other del&#173;e&#173;ga&#173;tion), all things equal, the same de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor would do <em>bet&#173;ter</em> to in&#173;voke <em>bet&#173;ter</em> such fu&#173;ture ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ments<a href="#fn-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-18"><sup>[18]</sup></a>. So how can they be bet&#173;ter? In all the same ways as iden&#173;ti&#173;fied already!</p><p>Hence if &#8216;self&#8217; is the baseline for per&#173;sis&#173;tence or repli&#173;ca&#173;tion, ac&#173;tions which in&#173;duce fu&#173;ture de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tions with bet&#173;ter ex&#173;pected fit&#173;ness-to-goal are bet&#173;ter, other things equal. This can span the range of</p><ul><li><p>&#8216;self state up&#173;dates&#8217; track&#173;ing lo&#173;cally-rele&#173;vant in&#173;for&#173;ma&#173;tion to im&#173;prove de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion (mem&#173;ory)</p></li><li><p>im&#173;prov&#173;ing Propose and Promote heuris&#173;tics more broadly (learn&#173;ing, ex&#173;plor&#173;ing, play, ex&#173;per&#173;i&#173;men&#173;ta&#173;tion)</p></li><li><p>more di&#173;rect &#8216;self&#8217; mod&#173;ifi&#173;ca&#173;tion in&#173;clud&#173;ing in&#173;vest&#173;ing more com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tion into de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion (cog&#173;ni&#173;tive en&#173;hance&#173;ment)</p></li><li><p>im&#173;prov&#173;ing Act effi&#173;cacy by tun&#173;ing ex&#173;ist&#173;ing del&#173;e&#173;ga&#173;tion tem&#173;plates or trans&#173;form&#173;ing or al&#173;ign&#173;ing re&#173;sources into new and im&#173;proved (in the pre&#173;ced&#173;ing ways) copies or del&#173;e&#173;gates (re&#173;source ac&#173;qui&#173;si&#173;tion and tech&#173;nolog&#173;i&#173;cal im&#173;prove&#173;ment)</p></li></ul><p>Whether to ex&#173;pect a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor to dis&#173;cover and/&#8203;or be ca&#173;pa&#173;ble of act&#173;ing on any of these kinds of im&#173;prove&#173;ments is a sep&#173;a&#173;rate mat&#173;ter, though ev&#173;i&#173;dently any sys&#173;tem able to rea&#173;son similarly to a hu&#173;man is ca&#173;pa&#173;ble of at least in prin&#173;ci&#173;ple ap&#173;pre&#173;hend&#173;ing them.</p><h2>Im&#173;me&#173;di&#173;ate takeaways</h2><p>We broke down &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion&#8217; into al&#173;gorithms for &#8216;pro&#173;posal&#8217;, &#8216;pro&#173;mo&#173;tion&#8217; (which may be &#8216;eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tive&#8217; or &#8216;sortive&#8217;), and &#8216;ac&#173;tion&#8217; (which may be &#8216;op&#173;tive&#8217; or &#8216;(prop&#173;erly) pro&#173;mo&#173;tive&#8217;). Com&#173;bined with the ac&#173;tor-mo&#173;ment fram&#173;ing, we dis&#173;cussed cases of iter&#173;ated or re&#173;cur&#173;sive de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion. This fram&#173;ing al&#173;lows us to dis&#173;cuss com&#173;mon&#173;al&#173;ities and differ&#173;ences be&#173;tween sys&#173;tems and per&#173;haps make more re&#173;li&#173;able pre&#173;dic&#173;tions about their coun&#173;ter&#173;fac&#173;tual be&#173;havi&#173;our and emer&#173;gence.</p><p>Point&#173;ing at differ&#173;ent parts of this de&#173;com&#173;po&#173;si&#173;tion, we iden&#173;ti&#173;fied var&#173;i&#173;ous axes along which a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor can be im&#173;proved, ad&#173;di&#173;tion&#173;ally red&#173;eriv&#173;ing and re&#173;fin&#173;ing in&#173;stru&#173;men&#173;tal con&#173;ver&#173;gence for iter&#173;ated/&#8203;re&#173;cur&#173;sive de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors.</p><p>All this is quite ab&#173;stract and sub&#173;se&#173;quent posts will make it more con&#173;crete with ex&#173;am&#173;ples, start&#173;ing with <a href="/posts/5GzqD7fgtxjepPERp/deliberation-everywhere-simple-examples">rel&#173;a&#173;tively sim&#173;ple de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors</a>, illus&#173;trat&#173;ing some more ap&#173;pli&#173;ca&#173;tions of this fram&#173;ing to gen&#173;er&#173;at&#173;ing new in&#173;sights.</p><div><hr></div><p><em>Credit to Peter Bar&#173;nett, Tam&#173;era Lan&#173;ham, Ian McKen&#173;zie, John Went&#173;worth, Beth Barnes, Ruby Bloom, Clau&#173;dia Shi, and Mathieu Putz for use&#173;ful con&#173;ver&#173;sa&#173;tions prompt&#173;ing and re&#173;fin&#173;ing these ideas. Thanks also to SERI for spon&#173;sor&#173;ing my pre&#173;sent col&#173;lo&#173;ca&#173;tion with these cre&#173;ative and helpful peo&#173;ple!</em></p><div><hr></div><ol><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-1">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>So al&#173;gorithms can not hap&#173;pen &#8216;all at once&#8217; and no pro&#173;cess can be log&#173;i&#173;cally or em&#173;piri&#173;cally om&#173;ni&#173;scient, nor can it, in par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar, draw &#8216;con&#173;clu&#173;sions&#8217;, gen&#173;er&#173;ate ab&#173;strac&#173;tions, or oth&#173;er&#173;wise be im&#173;bued with in&#173;for&#173;ma&#173;tion for which there is not (yet) ev&#173;i&#173;dence.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-2">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Alter&#173;na&#173;tively, a lack of pro&#173;pos&#173;als could be con&#173;sid&#173;ered a ter&#173;mi&#173;na&#173;tion of the pro&#173;cess.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-3">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>In prin&#173;ci&#173;ple, the com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tion perform&#173;ing pro&#173;posal might have side-effects&#8212;<em>on its own</em> pro&#173;duce mean&#173;ingful out&#173;comes or &#8216;ac&#173;tions&#8217; (in&#173;clud&#173;ing &#8216;state up&#173;dates&#8217;) - but for now this pos&#173;si&#173;bil&#173;ity is elided and effects are con&#173;sid&#173;ered to hap&#173;pen as part of Act.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-4">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Type no&#173;ta&#173;tion.&#916; can be read &#8216;dis&#173;tri&#173;bu&#173;tion over&#8217;, that is, a gen&#173;er&#173;a&#173;tive pro&#173;cess which can be sam&#173;pled from, not nec&#173;es&#173;sar&#173;ily any&#173;thing <em>rep&#173;re&#173;sent&#173;ing</em> a prob&#173;a&#173;bil&#173;ity dis&#173;tri&#173;bu&#173;tion per se.{A} means some col&#173;lec&#173;tion of A. All types are in&#173;tended to be read as pure, math&#173;e&#173;mat&#173;i&#173;cal, or func&#173;tional&#8212;i.e. side-effect free&#8212;rather than im&#173;per&#173;a&#173;tive.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-5">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>NB type no&#173;ta&#173;tion here uses <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currying">cur&#173;ry&#173;ing</a>. The re&#173;sult&#173;ing V col&#173;lec&#173;tion is also im&#173;plic&#173;itly de&#173;pen&#173;dently-shaped to match the pro&#173;pos&#173;als one to one. We might write some&#173;thing like Promote:S&#8594;shape&#8594;{X}shape&#8594;{V}shape</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-6">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Pos&#173;si&#173;bly a cen&#173;tral ex&#173;am&#173;ple of <em>not</em> map&#173;ping to a real scalar might be a com&#173;mit&#173;tee where not only are &#8216;votes&#8217; be&#173;havi&#173;our-rele&#173;vant, but the par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lars of <em>who on the com&#173;mit&#173;tee</em> voted which way.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-7">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>We might call this &#8216;sortive&#8217; in con&#173;trast to &#8216;eval&#173;u&#173;a&#173;tive&#8217; but I am not en&#173;tirely sold on the use&#173;ful&#173;ness of this ter&#173;minol&#173;ogy</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-8">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Con&#173;sider an ex&#173;am&#173;ple where the pro&#173;mo&#173;tions are one or other of value es&#173;ti&#173;mates, log&#173;its, or prob&#173;a&#173;bil&#173;ities over <a href="/posts/5GzqD7fgtxjepPERp#Hard_coded_vs_learned_deliberation/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">an ac&#173;tion space in RL</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-9">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p><a href="/posts/5GzqD7fgtxjepPERp#Natural_selection__the_ur_deliberator/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">Nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion</a> is a canon&#173;i&#173;cal prop&#173;erly pro&#173;mo&#173;tive ex&#173;am&#173;ple.</p><p>It might be most ob&#173;vi&#173;ous to think about the &#8216;prop&#173;erly pro&#173;mo&#173;tive&#8217; as a re&#173;lax&#173;ation of the &#8216;op&#173;tive&#8217; case. In the op&#173;tive case, we had some pro&#173;pos&#173;als, and de&#173;pend&#173;ing on the pro&#173;mo&#173;tion scores for them, we se&#173;lected ex&#173;actly one pro&#173;posal to carry for&#173;ward. But more gen&#173;er&#173;ally we might record or ap&#173;ply the pro&#173;mo&#173;tion de&#173;ci&#173;sions in some way, ad&#173;just&#173;ing be&#173;havi&#173;our, while re&#173;tain&#173;ing a rep&#173;re&#173;sen&#173;ta&#173;tion of a spec&#173;trum of pro&#173;posal-pro&#173;mo&#173;tion state go&#173;ing for&#173;ward to sub&#173;se&#173;quent de&#173;ci&#173;sions. Go&#173;ing back to nat&#173;u&#173;ral se&#173;lec&#173;tion, ex&#173;cept in de&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;ate cases, there is some weighted con&#173;figu&#173;ra&#173;tion space of &#8216;pro&#173;pos&#173;als&#8217; (~genomes or gene-com&#173;plexes) at any time, which is ad&#173;justed by the pro&#173;cess. But rarely does it out&#173;right opt ex&#173;clu&#173;sively for a par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar pro&#173;posal. It seems plau&#173;si&#173;ble to me that this proper pro&#173;mo&#173;tive ac&#173;tion is what more so&#173;phis&#173;ti&#173;cated de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tors do in many cases, also.</p><p>Alter&#173;na&#173;tively, con&#173;sider that the dis&#173;tinc&#173;tion be&#173;tween &#8216;opt&#173;ing&#8217; for one pro&#173;posal and &#8216;weight&#173;ing&#8217; mul&#173;ti&#173;ple con&#173;figu&#173;ra&#173;tions on pro&#173;mo&#173;tion is more of de&#173;gree than kind: &#8216;opt&#173;ing&#8217; for ex&#173;actly one pro&#173;posal is just a de&#173;gen&#173;er&#173;ate spe&#173;cial case where all other al&#173;ter&#173;na&#173;tives are effec&#173;tively dis&#173;carded (equiv&#173;a&#173;lent to some nom&#173;i&#173;nal zero weight&#173;ing).</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-10">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Like <a href="/posts/5GzqD7fgtxjepPERp#Gradient_descent_as_reaction/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">SGD</a> and <a href="/posts/5GzqD7fgtxjepPERp#Chemical_systems/[Error communicating with LW2 server]">bio&#173;chem&#173;i&#173;cal catal&#173;y&#173;sis</a></p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-11">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Pow&#173;er&#173;ful in the sense of coun&#173;ter&#173;fac&#173;tu&#173;ally most strongly push&#173;ing in a goal-di&#173;rected fash&#173;ion. It is difficult to bot&#173;tom-out these con&#173;cepts!</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-12">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Ter&#173;minol&#173;ogy note: the con&#173;cep&#173;tu&#173;ally im&#173;por&#173;tant thing is the iter&#173;ated de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion.</p><p>Ruby ob&#173;jected to the use of &#8216;con&#173;trol sys&#173;tem&#8217; be&#173;cause it evokes clas&#173;si&#173;cal con&#173;trol the&#173;ory, which is a more con&#173;strained no&#173;tion. I think that&#8217;s right, but ac&#173;tu&#173;ally evok&#173;ing clas&#173;si&#173;cal con&#173;trol the&#173;ory is part of the rea&#173;son for choos&#173;ing &#8216;con&#173;trol&#8217;: clas&#173;si&#173;cal con&#173;trol sys&#173;tems are a use&#173;ful sub&#173;set of re&#173;ac&#173;tive con&#173;trol&#173;lers in this anal&#173;y&#173;sis (though not the only con&#173;trol&#173;lers)! Clas&#173;si&#173;cal con&#173;trol liter&#173;a&#173;ture already uses the words &#8216;con&#173;trol&#173;ler&#8217;, &#8216;reg&#173;u&#173;la&#173;tor&#8217;, and &#8216;gov&#173;er&#173;nor&#8217;. Alter&#173;na&#173;tive terms if we seek to dis&#173;t&#173;in&#173;guish might be &#8216;nav&#173;i&#173;ga&#173;tor/&#8203;nav&#173;i&#173;ga&#173;tion&#8217; or &#8216;di&#173;rec&#173;tor/&#8203;di&#173;rec&#173;tion&#8217;. We might pre&#173;fer &#8216;gen&#173;er&#173;al&#173;ised con&#173;trol&#173;ler/&#8203;con&#173;trol&#8217;. I es&#173;chew &#8216;agent&#8217; as it car&#173;ries far too many con&#173;no&#173;ta&#173;tions. I try to use &#8216;con&#173;trol&#173;ler&#8217; to evoke clas&#173;si&#173;cal and broader no&#173;tions of se&#173;quen&#173;tial con&#173;trol, with&#173;out nec&#173;es&#173;sar&#173;ily mean&#173;ing a spe&#173;cific the&#173;o&#173;ri&#173;sa&#173;tion as a clas&#173;si&#173;cal open- or closed-loop con&#173;trol sys&#173;tem.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-13">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>High level in&#173;ten&#173;tions con&#173;di&#173;tion lower-level rout&#173;ing and foot&#173;fall/&#8203;hand&#173;hold (etc) place&#173;ment, which con&#173;di&#173;tion micro&#173;scopic atomic mo&#173;tor ac&#173;tions.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-14">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Fit&#173;ness in the origi&#173;nal, non&#173;biolog&#173;i&#173;cal sense of be&#173;ing bet&#173;ter-fit i.e. ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;ate&#173;ness to situ&#173;a&#173;tion or con&#173;text. For a heuris&#173;tic this means how much it gets things right, with re&#173;spect to a par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar con&#173;text and refer&#173;ence.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-15">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_regulator">good reg&#173;u&#173;la&#173;tor</a> and <a href="/posts/Dx9LoqsEh3gHNJMDk/fixing-the-good-regulator-theorem">gooder reg&#173;u&#173;la&#173;tor</a> the&#173;o&#173;rems make a Carte&#173;sian sep&#173;a&#173;ra&#173;tion be&#173;tween ac&#173;tor (&#8216;reg&#173;u&#173;la&#173;tor&#8217;) and en&#173;vi&#173;ron&#173;ment (&#8216;sys&#173;tem&#8217;), and set aside com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tional and log&#173;i&#173;cal con&#173;straints. Un&#173;der these con&#173;di&#173;tions, those the&#173;o&#173;rems tell us that the <em>best pos&#173;si&#173;ble</em> reg&#173;u&#173;la&#173;tor is equiv&#173;a&#173;lent to a sys&#173;tem which perfectly mod&#173;els the goal-rele&#173;vant as&#173;pects of its en&#173;vi&#173;ron&#173;ment and acts in ac&#173;cor&#173;dance with that model.</p><p>For a de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor to satisfy this, its Propose would need to at least once with cer&#173;tainty gen&#173;er&#173;ate the best pos&#173;si&#173;ble pro&#173;posal (rel&#173;a&#173;tive to the goal and ob&#173;served in&#173;for&#173;ma&#173;tion), and its Promote would need to re&#173;li&#173;ably dis&#173;cern and pro&#173;mote this op&#173;ti&#173;mal pro&#173;posal. In the more gen&#173;eral de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor set&#173;ting, it is less clear how to trade off com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tional limi&#173;ta&#173;tions and there is (as yet) no &#8216;good de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tor&#8217; the&#173;o&#173;rem, but this does not pre&#173;vent us from rea&#173;son&#173;ing about <em>ce&#173;teris paribus</em> or Pareto im&#173;prove&#173;ments to those trade&#173;offs.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-16">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>I have found many dis&#173;cus&#173;sions to typ&#173;i&#173;cally overem&#173;pha&#173;sise what cor&#173;re&#173;sponds here to Promote but it should be&#173;come clear here and in later posts why I think this is miss&#173;ing an im&#173;por&#173;tant part of the story.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-17">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>It is still use&#173;ful to dis&#173;t&#173;in&#173;guish self-preser&#173;va&#173;tion from goal-con&#173;tent in&#173;tegrity in cases when there is a good de&#173;com&#173;po&#173;si&#173;tion in&#173;clud&#173;ing a priv&#173;ileged &#8216;goal con&#173;tain&#173;ing&#8217; com&#173;po&#173;nent or com&#173;po&#173;nents of the sys&#173;tem, rea&#173;son&#173;ably de&#173;cou&#173;pled from ca&#173;pa&#173;bil&#173;ities.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-AciPfkepg44hdpYi7-18">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>This might not be as tau&#173;tolog&#173;i&#173;cal as it seems if there are fun&#173;da&#173;men&#173;tally in&#173;su&#173;per&#173;a&#173;ble challenges to <a href="/posts/iTpLAaPamcKyjmbFC/robust-delegation">ro&#173;bust del&#173;e&#173;ga&#173;tion</a>.</p></li></ol>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Breaking Down Goal-Directed Behaviour]]></title><description><![CDATA[When we speak about en&#173;tities &#8216;want&#173;ing&#8217; things, or hav&#173;ing &#8216;goal-di&#173;rected be&#173;havi&#173;our&#8217;, what do we mean?]]></description><link>https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/breaking-down-goal-directed-behaviour</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.oliversourbut.net/p/breaking-down-goal-directed-behaviour</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Sourbut]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 18:45:11 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/998e9e3b-fcd8-4f0a-9b33-f2f49ac3f34d_1682x1651.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we speak about en&#173;tities &#8216;want&#173;ing&#8217; things, or hav&#173;ing &#8216;<a href="/tag/goal-directedness">goal-di&#173;rected</a> be&#173;havi&#173;our&#8217;, what do we mean?</p><p>Be&#173;cause most of the ac&#173;tors that we (my hu&#173;man read&#173;ers and I) at&#173;ten&#173;tively in&#173;ter&#173;act fre&#173;quently with are (pre&#173;sum&#173;ably) com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tion&#173;ally similar (to each other and to our&#173;selves), it is easy for our ab&#173;strac&#173;tions to <em>con&#173;flate</em> phe&#173;nom&#173;ena which are in fact differ&#173;ent<a href="#fn-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-1"><sup>[1]</sup></a>, or to <em>cou&#173;ple to&#173;gether</em> im&#173;pres&#173;sions of phe&#173;nom&#173;ena which are in fact sep&#173;a&#173;rable<a href="#fn-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-2"><sup>[2]</sup></a>. On the oc&#173;ca&#173;sions that we at&#173;ten&#173;tively ob&#173;serve <em>dis&#173;similar</em> ac&#173;tors<a href="#fn-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-3"><sup>[3]</sup></a>, we are of&#173;ten-enough &#8216;in the wild&#8217; (i.e. look&#173;ing in their &#8216;habitat&#8217;) that con&#173;flat&#173;ing&#8212;an&#173;thro&#173;po&#173;mor&#173;phis&#173;ing&#8212;is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_stance">suffi&#173;ciently use&#173;fully pre&#173;dic&#173;tive</a> to get by<a href="#fn-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-4"><sup>[4]</sup></a>, so these poor ab&#173;strac&#173;tions are in&#173;suffi&#173;ciently challenged.</p><p>Fur&#173;ther, most of the peo&#173;ple who in fact at&#173;ten&#173;tively ob&#173;serve a par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar class of hu&#173;man-<em>dis&#173;similar</em> ac&#173;tors (enough to per&#173;ceive and un&#173;der&#173;stand the non-con&#173;fla&#173;tions) are fo&#173;cused do&#173;main ex&#173;perts about that par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar class, and talk mainly to other do&#173;main ex&#173;perts about them<a href="#fn-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-5"><sup>[5]</sup></a>. There are few venues in which it is use&#173;ful to have un&#173;am&#173;bigu&#173;ous ter&#173;minol&#173;ogy here. Thus, the lan&#173;guage we use to <em>com&#173;mu&#173;ni&#173;cate</em> our ab&#173;strac&#173;tions about goal-di&#173;rected be&#173;havi&#173;our is prone to con&#173;fla&#173;tion and con&#173;fu&#173;sion even when <em>some</em> peo&#173;ple have <em>some</em> of the right ab&#173;strac&#173;tions<a href="#fn-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-6"><sup>[6]</sup></a>.</p><p>Here I aim to take steps to break down &#8216;goal-di&#173;rected be&#173;havi&#173;our&#8217; into a con&#173;cep&#173;tual frame&#173;work of com&#173;pu&#173;ta&#173;tional ab&#173;strac&#173;tions for which I offer ten&#173;ta&#173;tive ter&#173;minol&#173;ogy, and which helps me to bet&#173;ter un&#173;der&#173;stand and de&#173;scribe analo&#173;gies and dis&#173;analo&#173;gies be&#173;tween var&#173;i&#173;ous goal-di&#173;rected sys&#173;tems. The over&#173;ar&#173;ch&#173;ing mo&#173;ti&#173;va&#173;tion is to bet&#173;ter un&#173;der&#173;stand goal-di&#173;rected be&#173;havi&#173;our, in the sense of be&#173;ing able to bet&#173;ter pre&#173;dict its (es&#173;pe&#173;cially coun&#173;ter&#173;fac&#173;tual and off-dis&#173;tri&#173;bu&#173;tion) im&#173;pli&#173;ca&#173;tions, its arisal, and other prop&#173;er&#173;ties. Hope&#173;fully it is clear why I con&#173;sider this worth&#173;while.</p><p>In or&#173;der to ground this dis&#173;cus&#173;sion, I re&#173;fer to a rea&#173;son&#173;ably di&#173;verse menagerie of can&#173;di&#173;date goal-di&#173;rected sys&#173;tems, in&#173;clud&#173;ing nat&#173;u&#173;ral and ar&#173;tifi&#173;cial sys&#173;tems at var&#173;i&#173;ous lev&#173;els of or&#173;gani&#173;sa&#173;tion. Con&#173;tem&#173;pla&#173;tion of this di&#173;verse col&#173;lec&#173;tion was re&#173;spon&#173;si&#173;ble for the ideation and re&#173;fine&#173;ment of the ideas and gives some con&#173;fi&#173;dence in the ap&#173;pro&#173;pri&#173;ate&#173;ness of the ab&#173;strac&#173;tions.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:null,&quot;width&quot;:null,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;diverse menagerie of 'agents'&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="diverse menagerie of 'agents'" title="diverse menagerie of 'agents'" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nwuE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F221bb93a-526e-419b-bd17-e9f0cb84e922_1682x1651.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>A col&#173;lec&#173;tion of a few &#8216;agents&#8217; drawn from the menagerie</em></p><div><hr></div><ol><li><p><a href="#fnref-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-1">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Differ&#173;ent in the sense that, even if the ob&#173;served sur&#173;face phe&#173;nom&#173;ena are similar &#8216;in the wild&#8217;, their be&#173;havi&#173;our in differ&#173;ent con&#173;texts might rad&#173;i&#173;cally come apart; that is, a con&#173;fla&#173;tion is a poor pre&#173;dic&#173;tor for out-of-dis&#173;tri&#173;bu&#173;tion be&#173;havi&#173;our.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-2">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>Separable mean&#173;ing that the ab&#173;sence of one or other piece is a mean&#173;ingful, con&#173;ceiv&#173;able state of af&#173;fairs, even if in prac&#173;tice they are al&#173;most always found com&#173;posed to&#173;gether; that is, a cou&#173;pled ab&#173;strac&#173;tion means if we have an im&#173;pres&#173;sion of the one, we (per&#173;haps in&#173;cor&#173;rectly) as&#173;sume pres&#173;ence of the other(s).</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-3">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>That is, dis&#173;similar from hu&#173;mans and from each other e.g. ants, genes, chess-en&#173;g&#173;ines, learn&#173;ing al&#173;gorithms, cor&#173;po&#173;ra&#173;tions&#8230;</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-4">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>If it is not clear why &#8216;in the wild&#8217; (or &#8216;in the typ&#173;i&#173;cal set&#173;ting&#8217;) is im&#173;por&#173;tant for the pre&#173;dic&#173;tive&#173;ness of the an&#173;thro&#173;po&#173;mor&#173;phism-heuris&#173;tic, hope&#173;fully <strong>De&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion and Reflexes</strong> and <strong>Where does De&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion Come From?</strong> will clar&#173;ify. In short, an ac&#173;tor fit for a par&#173;tic&#173;u&#173;lar set&#173;ting can carry out &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;ate-look&#173;ing&#8217; be&#173;havi&#173;ours with&#173;out &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tive ma&#173;chin&#173;ery&#8217;, be&#173;cause the <em>pro&#173;cess which gen&#173;er&#173;ated</em> the ac&#173;tor pro&#173;vides enough (slow, grad&#173;ual) &#8216;de&#173;liber&#173;a&#173;tion&#8217; to lo&#173;cate such be&#173;havi&#173;ours and bake them into &#8216;re&#173;flexes&#8217;.</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-5">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>e.g. en&#173;to&#173;mol&#173;o&#173;gists, or&#173;nithol&#173;o&#173;gists, AI re&#173;searchers, busi&#173;ness ex&#173;ec&#173;u&#173;tives, economists&#8230; are not of&#173;ten in a room to&#173;gether, at least not mu&#173;tu&#173;ally-know&#173;ingly in their ca&#173;pac&#173;ity as said ex&#173;perts of their re&#173;spec&#173;tive fields</p></li><li><p><a href="#fnref-G7twzLdntKTAXZTC6-6">&#8617;&#65038;</a></p><p>I at&#173;tempt to avoid use of the term &#8216;agent&#8217; as it is a very loaded term which car&#173;ries many con&#173;no&#173;ta&#173;tions. In fact it is un&#173;for&#173;tu&#173;nately a perfect ex&#173;em&#173;plary lin&#173;guis&#173;tic vic&#173;tim of the ab&#173;strac&#173;tive con&#173;fla&#173;tion and cou&#173;pling phe&#173;nom&#173;ena I have de&#173;scribed. (I think the re&#173;cent <a href="/posts/LnnMPNHEpqtaqonCM/gato-s-generalisation-predictions-and-experiments-i-d-like">re&#173;cep&#173;tion of the Gato pa&#173;per was con&#173;fused</a> in part as a con&#173;se&#173;quence of this.) I sub&#173;sti&#173;tute &#8216;ac&#173;tor&#8217; and &#8216;con&#173;trol&#173;ler&#8217; more freely as less loaded terms.</p></li></ol>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>